The one pick I hate the most from last year is Beigel...
Think the rest of the draft class might be okay with some good coaching...
IMO, Biegel, Fackrell, and Ryan all need to be bartending next year. Martinez might-could improve with some better coachimg.
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Ryan played some solid ST this year in coverage units, he should just be doing that from the bench. Bieber looked lost at times, but played fast at others. He’s hard for me to pin down. Might be good, might end up being Brad Jones.Originally Posted by wist43
And yet Martinez tied for the league lead in tackles and had more solo tackles and turnover plays than both of them. He isn't a superstar, but he isn't a slouch either.
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Agree; if I had to predict our pick I'd go with Ferrell right now
But I crave the ILB
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Speaking of Badgers LB"s, TJ Edwards was an All American and is going backto UW
I'm not sure he'll be a great pro though.
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Having Ryan, Fackrell, and Biegel all on the roster seems too much
Martinez I thin will be a player; put a stud ILB next to him (you know who I want from College) and hes jus fine
Biegel....jury still out ......he could be that last defensive rusher that gives the occasional pressure or sack
Ryan....no upside....Fackrell.....they love his upside but he's just not a player let and time has to elapse soon
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^^^ I always thought that TT was trying to redeem his career vicariously at LB. Like a misplaced father instinct.
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Agreed. It seems every draft he would pick a solid, dependable, smart, athletically limited linebacker. A guy who oozed " Packer People", good with kids, opens doors for little old ladies, goes to church. The kid you want your daughter to bring home. The guy who isn't doing drugs, going to strip bars, knocking around his girlfriend or making any plays of game changing significance.
You need one banger in the middle of a 3-4 defense and Ryan is it. Just look at what happens to the run D when Thomas has to go in for him.
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It should be Martinez not Ryan. Ryan fits the 2000s model of Packer ILB. Chase and drag down from behind. That model is getting old.
The numbers mean you are going to have one guy take on a guard. I would rather that be Ryan than Ponch. If its one ILB on field, then Ponch alone is fine.
Of course, teams can counter that and expose Ryan to coverage or lateral movement. But you cannot have an All Pro at every spot without being a terrible franchise for 10 years.
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The Packers have the 14th pick. It seems that the first round will be heavy for the offensive line with guards and tackles. Some are rated very high in mock drafts, but you know that no GM wants to take a guard with a top 10 pick, top 25 for that matter. Linebacker seems deep in this draft with maybe 6-8 of them mocked in the first round. The Packers could get lucky and be in position to land another top flight corner.
Just off the top of my head, this is the guy I think the Packers should draft, if the draft was tomorrow
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Agree. Also, both Biegel, Ryan, Martinez were R4 picks, so you're unlikely to be getting All Pro level play. Modern offenses dictate that you don't use thumpers much except for early downs or goal line stands, but you still need one or two.
I don't think Ryan is a stud, but I don't think he's garbage either.
Martinez had a good year, with the exception of a couple of games and the occasional brain freeze with pass coverage. They are both solid players.
Jury is out on Biegel; this was basically a redshirt season for him and Montravious Adams, who might develop as a DL pass rusher.
With the higher picks GB needs perimeter players (pass rush, CBs) IMO, unless there is an absolute beast at ILB who can play all 4 downs available. Considering teams are playing safeties as "moneybackers" now I don't think ILB is a highly valued position (like OG).
I really think another solid corner and a vastly improved pass rush is enough to put them in the top 12-15 on defense, which with a healthy Rodgers is probably enough to make them a strong SB contender.
All props.
Don't know squat about the draft, but damn, if you're playing sports scrabble....
I think there is a fair amount of talent on this defense as is. Our cast offs go on to get double digit sacks for other teams or play in the secondary at the probowl. If this defense can play like even a sum of its parts I think its an average unit. Priorities are things you can never have enough of anyways: CB and OLB.
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Okay.
I am with you. Which is why I am hopeful the DC change can elevate them.
My concern is that if McCarthy really has inserted himself into the GM process, the DC pick might get secondary consideration (no pun intended).
Though they need more pass rush even if Perry is healthy.
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Part of me worries the timing for the GM switch was unfortunate. I know a lot of people wanted TT gone for whatever reason. Let's put those aside and just think about timing alone.
Scenario 1: DC was fired as DC. If TT had one more year, M3 would hire a DC without issue or anything hanging over the hiring decision. The DC comes in, they both get a year together. At the end of next year, Murphy retires TT. The new GM comes in and can assess the staff as a whole and decide whether to keep them all or move them in a different direction.
Scenario 2: DC was not fired as DC. TT was retired this year. The new GM comes in and can asses M3 and DC and make a call on them together.
Instead we have Scenario 3: DC was fired and TT was retired. In almost makes the GM's job more difficult because he is not getting a fair chance to assess an embedded staff. There are going to be a lot of growing pains this year.
I like M3 as a coach, but I'm starting to come around to the idea that if the DC (basically the second head coach when the HC is an offensive specialist) and the GM were fired/retired the same year, they might as well clean house completely. There is going to be a lot of moving parts, and the hiring of the DC/GM are going to affect each other. I think the complexity adds risk in that the decisions are less likely to pan out versus if they happened in successive years.
I may be way off, but this almost seems like the riskiest timing for prolonged organizational success versus either successive year changes or cleaning house completely. (For the record, I think cleaning house completely holds its own significant risk as well.)
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That is part of why I think others are right and this was discussed about the time M3 got his one year extension.
Part of the problem of being a lame duck is getting good staff. In fact, I would be impressed if they landed their top choices.
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