Official 2018 nfl draft thread

[Smidgeon]

Here's my uneducated wishlist for DC, in order:

1. Bettchner
2. Fangio
3. Whitt

Here's my uneducated wishlist for GM, in order:

1. I have no idea

[Deputy Nutz]

Here's my uneducated wishlist for DC, in order:

1. Bettchner
2. Fangio
3. Whitt

Here's my uneducated wishlist for GM, in order:

1. I have no idea

So if the Packers hire a 4-3 cover two scheme coordinator they will have to look at drafting different personnel. They need a fast athletic middle linebacker which they don't have. They don't have any 5 tech or 7 tech ends. The secondary should be in better shape as communication is a bit more straight forward. They can basically cut their two starting outside linebackers as Perry's skill set won't transfer and regardless of scheme Matthews should be cut. Sure there is a cap hit on Perry, but he is over paid

[pbmax]

So if the Packers hire a 4-3 cover two scheme coordinator they will have to look at drafting different personnel. They need a fast athletic middle linebacker which they don't have. They don't have any 5 tech or 7 tech ends. The secondary should be in better shape as communication is a bit more straight forward. They can basically cut their two starting outside linebackers as Perry's skill set won't transfer and regardless of scheme Matthews should be cut. Sure there is a cap hit on Perry, but he is over paid

If they switch to the 4-3, Perry will be your pass rushing RDE and Matthews will be the SOLB. Ryan might get a run at MLB but in coverage it will be a mess and they will need an upgrade in physical talent. Martinez will get a look at WOLB and they would prefer to put him there, but he might have to be the Mike. Thomas might have to man the Will.

But they won't be in a 4-3 base much. Most of the snaps will be Daniels-Clark-Perry with the 3 LBs.

[Smidgeon]

So if the Packers hire a 4-3 cover two scheme coordinator they will have to look at drafting different personnel. They need a fast athletic middle linebacker which they don't have. They don't have any 5 tech or 7 tech ends. The secondary should be in better shape as communication is a bit more straight forward. They can basically cut their two starting outside linebackers as Perry's skill set won't transfer and regardless of scheme Matthews should be cut. Sure there is a cap hit on Perry, but he is over paid

If Josh Jones puts it together, can he function as that fast middle linebacker?

[pbmax]

If Josh Jones puts it together, can he function as that fast middle linebacker?

You have to take on a center or guard if you are alone in there. He would have to be a Will.

[Smidgeon]

You have to take on a center or guard if you are alone in there. He would have to be a Will.

How big is Arizona's middle LB? Isn't he around 220? (I could be waaaaay off on that.)

[red]

I know DT is probabaly the last thing we need, but Payne from Alabama is a scary looking dude

[pbmax]

Which poster was big into believing that the Packers had moved slightly at least toward analytics to measure athletic performance and explosion? SPARQ I think one metric was called?

Because I found another true believe on Twitter. His definition of analytics is off, though in the specific case of the draft it might apply. Not sure how much data he has on the players, but here you go:

Kornélios Taylor @iKornelios
High Athletic Scores Got The Following #Packers Drafted Earlier Than Maybe They Should’ve:

Jason Spriggs
Kyler Fackrell
Damarious Randall
Quinten Rollins

Analytics is a math formula created to quantify production combined w/ combine athletic scores to identify special players.

[pbmax]

He's also big into believing OLbs/DEs in 4-3 and 3-4 pay vastly different roles which is too simplistic. There are some takeoff differences between a 2 point and 3 point stance, but Brooks and Perry aren't in coverage much. Not too sold on that part of his posts, but he has a great question for Guteus Maximus:

Kornélios Taylor @iKornelios
If I were a #Packers beat reporter attending the NFL Combine the real question to ask isn’t the basic questions you ask every combine about the teams biggest needs. If you want to write a great informative article, ask GUTE: analytics vs film, and it’s role in hitting on picks.

[mraynrand]

He's also big into believing OLbs/DEs in 4-3 and 3-4 pay vastly different roles which is too simplistic. There are some takeoff differences between a 2 point and 3 point stance, but Brooks and Perry aren't in coverage much. Not too sold on that part of his posts, but he has a great question for Guteus Maximus:

Kornélios Taylor @iKornelios
If I were a #Packers beat reporter attending the NFL Combine the real question to ask isn’t the basic questions you ask every combine about the teams biggest needs. If you want to write a great informative article, ask GUTE: analytics vs film, and it’s role in hitting on picks.

Clearly TT was Eastwood and Eliot is the Matt Lillard character in 'Trouble with Curve' meme. If what you are saying about recent picks is right, either TT got infected with the analytics bug, or others were running the draft show. Thus, your question is hugely important - which side won out in the power reorganization? Is Gute closer to Eastwood or Lillard? What kind of Terminator will he be? Heaven help us if he's Justin Timberlake.

[pbmax]

Clearly TT was Eastwood and Eliot is the Matt Lillard character in 'Trouble with Curve' meme. If what you are saying about recent picks is right, either TT got infected with the analytics bug, or others were running the draft show. Thus, your question is hugely important - which side won out in the power reorganization? Is Gute closer to Eastwood or Lillard? What kind of Terminator will he be? Heaven help us if he's Justin Timberlake.

Hopefully whoever introduced SPARQ to this website pokes their head in. It was a couple of years ago, after Ted they had hired a couple of people to teach it to him. The gist of the PackerRats post was that the analytics stuff had an impact here like in Seattle, chasing certain explosive athletic traits and it predated SPRIGGS™ or Fackrell.

Might have been (probably was) pushed by younger guys, but I don't know whatever became of it. Kornelios clearly thinks its still going on, probably part of the getting faster and longer on defense last year.

If you are going to chase a breakout guy in the draft, I like the approach. Not sure I like trading up or over drafting for it though, cause its still just a probability. Spriggs was an exception not because of his traits, but his draft value was the last of the top end tackles in that draft.

[call_me_ishmael]

Who are the 2nd, 3rd and 4th round receivers in this draft? I think the Packers are far more likely to sign a defender than a WR in free agency, and they desperately need them. I would have zero problem with getting rid of both Cobb and Nelson, and bringing in some young, speedy talent.

[smuggler]

Yeah, we did trade up for Spriggs, but he was highly rated for the slot we selected him, even by traditional scouting sources.

[denverYooper]

Yeah, we did trade up for Spriggs, but he was highly rated for the slot we selected him, even by traditional scouting sorceress.

Traditional Scouting Sorceress

[mraynrand]

Traditional Scouting Sorceress

That looks like some of the roadkill packer fans wear to games:

[pbmax]

That looks like some of the roadkill packer fans wear to games:

Foxy.

[Zool]

That looks like some of the roadkill packer fans wear to games:

Or the sorceress of castle greyskull who gave the something something sword to Adam making him He-man. Sheesh

[sharpe1027]

Or the sorceress of castle greyskull who gave the something something sword to Adam making him He-man. Sheesh

I believe it is the power sword.

[smuggler]

Hah. My bad. I'm traveling and I'm on mobile.

[wist43]

I didn't want Spriggs, but thought he'd develop... as it is, he looks like a complete bust that can't play at all. Just cut him.

Didn't want Randall... he can go; Ryan needs to be replaced. We need a TE and WR...

Don't know what kind of fronts Pettine will go with early, but at least for now I think the 3-3 is still the best way to go. He can go with a 4-2 as well, but not with Ryan and Martinez on the field together... preferably with neither of them on the field.