Official 2018 nfl draft thread

[run pMc]

In terms of height/weight/arm strength I get the fuss around Josh Allen, but the kid's not accurate and he didn't play well against teams Iowa, Oregon, Boise State last year. The Mountain West is not exactly the SEC, and I didn't get the sense he lit it up there.
He has bust written all over him. I don't get the appeal and top-10 talk unless you are committed to sit him for a year or (more likely) two.

QBs that aren't accurate in college IMO tend not to be accurate in the pros. If you can't hit a WR getting a free release and running down the field that's a red flag.

[Deputy Nutz]

All the QBs in the top part of this draft have issues. Darnold and Rosen are West Coast pretty boys that had average seasons, Allen has the tool box but played at a small school and didn't have great numbers, Lamar Jackson had fantastic numbers, but he is black damn it!!!! Baker Mayfield is short and has an attitude, and probably the best all around QB that no one is talking about is Mason Rudolph from OSU but he might have a shallow arm.

[mraynrand]

Lamar Jackson had fantastic numbers, but he is black damn it!!!!

I kind of like him the best, but the guys on the NFLN said he was pretty unpolished. He had some inaccuracies and flutters in his workout at the combine. Highest ceiling I think.

I still think there's a good chance the Packers draft a QB, because someone like Jackson drops due to 'issues.' I see some mocks have him dropping all the way to Jacksonville. Most think there's zero chance Packers draft a QB because of too many holes elsewhere - I get that - but you never know who slips in the Green room...

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I kind of like him the best, but the guys on the NFLN said he was pretty unpolished. He had some inaccuracies and flutters in his workout at the combine. Highest ceiling I think.

I still think there's a good chance the Packers draft a QB, because someone like Jackson drops due to 'issues.' I see some mocks have him dropping all the way to Jacksonville. Most think there's zero chance Packers draft a QB because of too many holes elsewhere - I get that - but you never know who slips in the Green room...

I dunno 'bout you or Nutz or Partial or Tex, but I like my beer cold, my women hot, my corners dark and my QBs pale.

[Deputy Nutz]

They wont draft one in the first round but 2nd? 3rd? This team is just dumb enough to spend a draft pick in the first two days on a QB. You don't draft a QB unless you need to replace a QB, at this point everyone expects Rodgers to resign. Maybe they are ready to move on from the pretentious asshole?

[mraynrand]

You don't draft a QB unless you need to replace a QB

That's not how Lord Ron did it.

[Deputy Nutz]

I was talking starter. I don't think they drafted guys to replace Favre, Its just that Favre almost gave it away there at the beginng. Mark Brunnell was a 4th round pick. I do't disagree with drafting a QB often as a back up or to hold a clipboard but you only draft one to be a starter when you see the window closing on the current starter

[HarveyWallbangers]

This is how I feel.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...-drafts-top-qb

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The scoop: "Josh Allen is the best quarterback in this draft. I think all of the talk about his accuracy is the most overblown thing out there. His guys don't get open, which causes a lot of the incompletions -- it's not an accuracy issue." -- NFC executive
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Allen isn't as accurate as Wentz, but his problems were mainly because his WRs were inferior to opposing CBs. Same thing with Wentz at NDSU. NDSU is a school that runs and plays defense, they don't get good WR recruits. Both Allen and Wentz had to make a lot of tight window throws.

Remember two years ago that people were saying that Wentz would need a lot of time to develop because QBs who start 23 games in college (especially at the lower level) are unsuccessful. Wentz started from day one and hasn't looked back.

That being said, he's not flawless. It's a weird group this year. There are a lot of good prospects, but there's no Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck. Darnold certainly isn't.

[pbmax]

{quote}
The scoop: "Josh Allen is the best quarterback in this draft. I think all of the talk about his accuracy is the most overblown thing out there. His guys don't get open, which causes a lot of the incompletions -- it's not an accuracy issue." -- NFC executive
{quote}

Allen isn't as accurate as Wentz, but his problems were mainly because his WRs were inferior to opposing CBs. Same thing with Wentz at NDSU. NDSU is a school that runs and plays defense, they don't get good WR recruits. Both Allen and Wentz had to make a lot of tight window throws.

Emory Hunt @FBallGameplan
Comparing Josh Allen to Carson Wentz is discrediting ALL of what Wentz accomplished at NDSU. Their situations aren't the same and Wyoming is an FBS program, so not a 'small school'.

Mike Clay @MikeClayNFL
Worst final FBS season off-target rates among top QB prospects last 3 years:
Josh Allen 16.3%
DeShone Kizer 14.5%
Jeff Driskel 14.4%
Connor Cook 13.5%
C Hackenberg 13.4%


Did Allen throw during a Pro Day? Wonder if he looked better on air with receivers he knew.

[pbmax]

People are mad about this kid. AY/A = adjusted yards per attempt.

Football Perspective @fbgchase
In Josh Allen's good year of 2016, he ranked 4th in the Mountain West in AY/A.

[run pMc]

People are mad about this kid. AY/A = adjusted yards per attempt.

Football Perspective @fbgchase
In Josh Allen's good year of 2016, he ranked 4th in the Mountain West in AY/A.

and led the league in both TDs and INTs. Looks like he ran a lot too. IMO Arm strength can be improved in the weight room, but accuracy takes breaking down and rebuilding fundamentals and even then it's no gimme. Too much risk to take with a top 10 R1 pick if I were a GM.
Now if he fell all the way to end of R1 top of R2 and you could be patient with him, maybe, but I'm still not on the bandwagon.

I could very well be wrong.

[pbmax]

His pro day reviewed by PFW: https://t.co/hZXVduaGy1

[pbmax]

Matthew Fairborn @MatthewFairburn
Mel Kiper Jr. asked about Josh Allen's completion percentage: "Stats are for losers in my opinion. The guy won."

Colin Barringer @CBarringer971
Josh Allen went 15-9 against FBS teams as Wyoming’s starting QB.

@SmokingHotTakes
Noted winner Josh Allen and his team went 3-5 in his starts against FBS teams in non conference play with 11 touchdowns and 12 INTs in his career

[HarveyWallbangers]

Brett Favre completed 54% of his passes in each of his final two years at Southern Miss. He threw five more TDs than interceptions over his final two years. Sometimes, stats are for losers.

Before Allen, Wyoming won 8 games once since 1998. They won 8 games both years with Allen. They had inferior talent.

Daniel Jeremiah

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...allens-pro-day

[HarveyWallbangers]

The more I study these CBs, the more I think Isaiah Oliver is the a guy who might be the #2 CB on the Packers board (behind Denzel Ward). He looks like the ideal Pettine cornerback. He has size, athleticism, and press ability.

[woodbuck27]

The more I study these CBs, the more I think Isaiah Oliver is the a guy who might be the #2 CB on the Packers board (behind Denzel Ward). He looks like the ideal Pettine cornerback. He has size, athleticism, and press ability.

[woodbuck27]

Comment woodbuck27:

I really like the way D J Moore plays.

[woodbuck27]

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2...of-free-agency

NFL Mock Draft 2018: Packers’ needs have changed after the start of free agency

Free agent movement and draft order changes characterize a very different second version of my 2018 mock.

By Shawn Wagner Mar 23, 2018, 1:30pm CDT

[woodbuck27]

[woodbuck27]