Official 2018 nfl draft thread

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Is this a Round Two Target?

WR Courtland Sutton - The Next Julio Jones - Ultimate 2016-17 SMU Highlights (HD)

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Is this a Round Two Target?

WR Courtland Sutton - The Next Julio Jones - Ultimate 2016-17 SMU Highlights (HD)

I don’t think he’ll make it out of the top 20

There’s a lot of debate about if he or Ridley should be the first WR taken

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I don’t think he’ll make it out of the top 20

There’s a lot of debate about if he or Ridley should be the first WR taken

Sutton is a fucking sloth, a poor man's TO. A prima donna in the making - not that I detest prima donnas (they're exciting). Packers have more than enough possession receivers on their roster already. Pack need a speed fiend.

Now plenty of speed fiends failed in the NFL b/c they couldn't run routes worth a lick. Ridley, however, is an excellent route runner. He timed fast, but he plays even faster. In short, Ridley's a faster Greg Jennings, a rich man's Jennings, if you will.

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Sutton is a fucking sloth, a poor man's TO. A prima donna in the making - not that I detest prima donnas (they're exciting). Packers have more than enough possession receivers on their roster already. Pack need a speed fiend.

Now plenty of speed fiends failed in the NFL b/c they couldn't run routes worth a lick. Ridley, however, is an excellent route runner. He timed fast, but he plays even faster. In short, Ridley's a faster Greg Jennings, a rich man's Jennings, if you will.

Don’t we already have Janice for speed?

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Don’t we already have Janice for speed?

I wish. Janis is still a free agent. Even if he returns, McCarthy will still be too stupid to figure out a way to utilize Janis offensively. With Ridley, Fat Mike could utilize the speed fiend in the same manner that he once did with Jennings.

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[HarveyWallbangers]

A lot of the bigger, press CBs are going to go in the middle rounds. Kevin Toliver, Isaac Yiadom, Holton Hill, Brandon Facyson, Tarvarus McFadden, Tony Brown (projecting because I didn't see him in press a lot), Quenton Meeks (mostly played off coverage in the videos that I watched). That may be where the Packers strike - even if they take a corner in the first two rounds. There do seem to be quite a few bigger, press corners in this draft than I remember in recent drafts, so that may bold well.

[wist43]

A lot of the bigger, press CBs are going to go in the middle rounds. Kevin Toliver, Isaac Yiadom, Holton Hill, Brandon Facyson, Tarvarus McFadden, Tony Brown (projecting because I didn't see him in press a lot), Quenton Meeks (mostly played off coverage in the videos that I watched). That may be where the Packers strike - even if they take a corner in the first two rounds. There do seem to be quite a few bigger, press corners in this draft than I remember in recent drafts, so that may bold well.

I agree.

[Deputy Nutz]

A lot of the bigger, press CBs are going to go in the middle rounds. Kevin Toliver, Isaac Yiadom, Holton Hill, Brandon Facyson, Tarvarus McFadden, Tony Brown (projecting because I didn't see him in press a lot), Quenton Meeks (mostly played off coverage in the videos that I watched). That may be where the Packers strike - even if they take a corner in the first two rounds. There do seem to be quite a few bigger, press corners in this draft than I remember in recent drafts, so that may bold well.

The draft flops around a a lot in terms of rankings and where teams slot guys on their own boards. For instance Carlton Davis could be a better fit for the Packers defense versus Jaire Alexander. Alexander is rated higher by just about every publication. Packers are now in a position where they have to take a known commodity, they can't take a projected 2nd rounder in the top half of the first round even though it could be a better fit. If that is a case they go a different direction than their greatest position of need.

With contact rules being enforced corners have to have the ability to stay with receivers without putting their hands on them. Size always helps but quickness and agility and smarts are just as important. Big corners are great but they can't be grabby. Davis for instance can be very grabby. Not a good thing. Receivers are like strippers, you want to be nice and close but you can't be grabby or you get flagged.

[HarveyWallbangers]

The draft flops around a a lot in terms of rankings and where teams slot guys on their own boards. For instance Carlton Davis could be a better fit for the Packers defense versus Jaire Alexander. Alexander is rated higher by just about every publication. Packers are now in a position where they have to take a known commodity, they can't take a projected 2nd rounder in the top half of the first round even though it could be a better fit. If that is a case they go a different direction than their greatest position of need.

With contact rules being enforced corners have to have the ability to stay with receivers without putting their hands on them. Size always helps but quickness and agility and smarts are just as important. Big corners are great but they can't be grabby. Davis for instance can be very grabby. Not a good thing. Receivers are like strippers, you want to be nice and close but you can't be grabby or you get flagged.

Good points, but a great press corner can still function in today's game. I agree on Davis - which is why I'm down on him a bit. He's grabby and a little less athletic than I'd prefer. Plus, the Packers seem to value ball skills, and Davis lacks in this area. I think the Packers will continue with the height requirement at corner, but they may give a little on the athleticism part if the player is great in press. There are a number of big corners in this draft, but some don't meet or barely meet the historical athletic measurements the Packers require. With Pettine I'm not sure if they'll give a little in this area. My guess is the Packers will still draft big corners (5'11" or taller) and prefer man corners, but they might not require great press ability. I'm not a scout, but I did get through watching videos of all of the corners that were invited to the combine.

Players that fit the style and athletic requirements the Packers look for:

Denzel Ward, Isaiah Oliver, Nick Nelson, M.J. Stewart, Andre Chachere, Christian Campbell, Davontae Harris, Dee Delaney

Players that fit the style and height requirements but we don't have full testing numbers for:

Brandon Facyson, Michael Joseph

Based on what numbers we have for Joseph, I think he'll meet the athletic requirements. Not sure about Facyson.

Players that fit the style and height requirements but are at or below Green Bay's historical athletic requirements:

Anthony Averett, Carlton Davis, Holton Hill, Tarvarus McFadden

Green Bay hasn't drafted a CB since switching to the 3-4 with over 4.34 shuttle (Goodson) and under 33 12" vertical (House). Averett had 4.40 shuttle and 31 1/2" vertical. Hill had a 31" vertical
Green Bay hasn't drafted a CB with over a 7.10 3 cone (Rollins). Davis had a 7.30 3 cone and barely hit the minimum in the shuttle.
Green Bay hasn't drafted a CB with over a 4.57 40 (Rollins). McFadden had a 4.67 40.

Players that fit the athletic requirements but might not fit the scheme:

Josh Jackson, Quenton Meeks, and Tony Brown fit the height and athletic requirements, but they seem better as zone corners.

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Does Pettine play press coverage?

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Does Pettine play press coverage?

Prodigious defenses

Pettine enjoyed an impressive four-year stint as the New York Jets’ defensive coordinator under Rex Ryan from 2009-12. He has utilized a 3-4 scheme in the past built around blitzing and press-man coverage.



Read more: http://www.packers.com/news-and-even...#ixzz5AlYQOcds

OK then.

[Maxie the Taxi]

OK then.

This from Total Packers:

And here’s the thing. The Packers’ new defensive coordinator Mike Pettine likes his corners to play press-man coverage. You need corners that are strong and physical to do that. I’m going to guess Hawkins is pretty strong right now.

[HarveyWallbangers]

CB Michael Joseph is intruguing. Level of competition stunk, but he dominated. Showed tackling ability, balls skills, and he's 6'1". I don't think he has much experience in press coverage, but he looks to have the ability to be taught up. I'll be interested to see how he tests at Pro Day. He was limited at the combine. His testing was a bit up and down. He had a good 3 cone (6.89), solid shuttle (4.20) and bench (17), and below average vertical (34"). He and WR Justin Watson were two small school prospects that I've kept my eye on. Watson blew up his Pro Day with 4.42 40 and 40" vertical at 6'3" 213. I think that puts him firmly in the draftable category.

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I like Andre Chachere as a Day 3 pick. Decent production and test numbers.
They have to draft at least 2 corners. Their CB chart looks horrible on paper.

Then again, I'm no scout.

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I like Andre Chachere as a Day 3 pick. Decent production and test numbers.
They have to draft at least 2 corners. Their CB chart looks horrible on paper.

Then again, I'm no scout.

I'll take a look at this and the Green Bay Packers Pick in Round Three (3) Pick NO. 76 Overall:

Green Bay Packers NEEDS

Defense:

Cornerback; Strong safety

Outside and Inside linebacker

Offense:

Right guard;

Wide receiver and TE

The Packers went hard after Kyle Fuller, and Tramon Williams isn't exactly the best consolation prize. A No. 1 corner still needs to be found.

Jordy Nelson was sent packing, and while Jimmy Graham will obviously have a big role in the passing attack, WR is a thin position now. [B]A new right guard is needed with Jahri Evans moving on[/B.

Josh Jones will likely get first crack at replacing Morgan Burnett at SS, yet a better strong safety could be found.

Clay Matthews is in the final year of his deal, so finding someone to partner with Nick Perry long-term at outside linebacker is key. Inside linebacker always is a need and better depth behind the team's starters.

The Packers drafted several depth pieces at running back last year but lack a true star at the position to take pressure off Aaron Rodgers but do they need a solid Blocking TE?.

What's possibly there?

Kameron Kelly - San Diego St.....Sr...CB ** PR 7 ...6-2 ... 195 lbs

M.J. Stewart - N. Carolina ..Sr.........CB ** 8......... 6-0 ... 200 lbs

Mike Hughes -UCF ...Jr...................CB ** 9 ........ 5-11 ...185 lbs


Arden Key - LSU ................Jr.........DE ** 6 ..........6-6 ...238 lbs

Duke Ejiofor - Wake Forest...Sr........DE **7 .......... 6-4 ... 270 lbs

Lorenzo Carter- Georgia ......Sr..........DE **8 ...........6-6 .....242 lbs

Chad Thomas ..Miami (Fla.)...Sr..........DE ** 9...........6-6......275 lbs


Auden Tate - Florida St. .......Jr .........WR ** 9 ..........6-5 .....225 lbs

D.J. Moore - Maryland ..........Jr..........WR ** 10 ........ 5-11.....215 lbs


Skai Moore .S. Carolina ......Sr...........OLB..** 6 .........6-2.......221 lbs


Uchenna Nwosu..USC.,,,,,,,,Sr,,,,,,,,....OLB,**7.......... ..6-3.......235 lbs


Derrick Nnadi....Florida St...Sr.............DT ** 7............6-1.......312 lbs

80RJ McIntosh ....Miami (Fla.)..Jr.........DT.** 8............6-4.......293 lbs



** This Position Rank Comes From The CBS Sports NFL Draft Site

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http://nfltraderumors.co/nfl-draft-value-chart/

NFL DRAFT VALUE CHART.

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We need an outstanding Fourth Round in this 2018 NFL DRAFT;

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/video/...raft-round-4a/

" Green Bay Packers Hindsight is 20/20 Draft: Round 4(A) The Green Bay Packers needed a pass rusher and took one with Vince Biegel with the first pick of the fourth round. Could they have done better? "

14. Green Bay Packers ; Record: 7-9 (.539) >>> Top needs: DB, OT, WR, EDGE

** The Packers drafted a CB with their top pick last year (Kevin King), but they still need to upgrade that spot, and the safety position as well.

** Injuries have plagued the Packers' offensive tackles and they might look for more help at the RT spot.

** The departure of WR Jordy Nelson combined with the lack of production from Randall Cobb means WR could be an early priority.

** It's time to add some much-needed pass rush off the edge.

Here first is an analysis of the DRAFT at the WR Position:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/...-flaws-of-wrs/

This Guy has it Ranking the WR's in this order:

1. Courtland Sutton, WR, SMU (Going Top of Rd. 1)

2. James Washington, WR, Oklahoma State: (Going mid Rd. 1)

3. Michael Gallup, WR, Colorado State: (Going Bottom of Rd. 1)

4. .Marcell Ateman, WR, Oklahoma State: (Going Top of Rd. 2)

5. Ranked as the 44th Best Prospect. Calvin Ridley, WR, Alabama: Strengths: Suddenness helps him beat press often. Sharp cuts while running his routes. Good long speed. Weakensses: Slight frame. Despite his route-running acumen, he's not a dynamic YAC receiver.

6. Anthony Miller, WR, Memphis (Going Mid 2nd Rd.)

7. Deontay Burnett, WR, USC: (Going Mid 2nd Rd.)

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I Posted a look at the potential Draft Picks in Round 3 Earlier.in this Thread.

A look at potential prospects in Round Four (4):

The Packers have Picks NO. 101 and a Comp. Pick @ NO. 133.

90 Ronnie Harrison Alabama Jr SS 2 6-3 214
91 Allen Lazard Iowa St. Sr WR 11 6-5 223
92 DeShon Elliott Texas Jr SS 3 6-2 205
93 Jaleel Scott New Mex. St. Sr WR 12 6-6 215
94 Levi Wallace Alabama Sr CB 12 6-0 181

95 Oren Burks Vanderbilt Sr ILB 4 6-3 226

96 Armani Watts Texas A&M Sr FS 4 5-11 205
97 Cedrick Wilson Boise St. Sr WR 13 6-3 188

98 Mark Walton Miami (Fla.) Jr RB 10 5-9 205

99 Donte Jackson LSU Jr CB 13 5-11 173
100 Will Richardson NC State Jr OT 9 6-6 322

101 Rasheem Green USC Jr DT 10 6-5 280

102 Carlton Davis Auburn Jr CB 14 6-1 203
103 Genard Avery Memphis Sr OLB 8 6-1 255

104 Will Clapp LSU Jr C 6 6-5 309
105 Nathan Shepherd Fort Hays State - DT 11 6-5 300

106 Nick Nelson Wisconsin Jr CB 15 5-11 207
107 Joseph Noteboom TCU Sr OT 10 6-5 322
108 DaeSean Hamilton Penn St. Sr WR 14 6-1 205

109 Jaylen Samuels NC State Sr TE 4 5-11 223


110 Sam Hubbard Ohio St. Jr DE 11 6-5 265
111 Darious Williams UAB Sr CB 16 5-10 179
112 Christian Kirk Texas A&M Jr WR 15 5-11 200

113 Breeland Speaks Ole Miss Jr DE 12 6-3 290

114 Jordan Whitehead Pittsburgh Jr SS 4 5-11 190

115 Tegray Scales Indiana Sr OLB 9 6-0 230
116 Desmond Harrison West Georgia - OT 11 6-6 288

117 Rashaan Gaulden Tennessee Jr CB 17 6-1 185

118 Jason Cabinda Penn St. Sr ILB 5 6-1 232
119 Kylie Fitts Utah Sr DE 13 6-4 260

120 Rashaad Penny San Diego St Sr RB 11 5-11 220
121 Jerome Baker Ohio St. Jr OLB 10 6-1 225
122 Fred Warner BYU Sr OLB 11 6-4 230

123 Deon Cain Clemson Jr WR 16 6-1 210

124 Coleman Shelton Washington Sr C 7 6-4 297

125 Kyzir White W. Virginia Sr CB 18 6-2 218

126 Richie James Middle Tenn. Jr WR 17 5-9 178

127 Travin Howard TCU Sr OLB 12 6-1 213

128 Jester Weah Pittsburgh Sr WR 18 6-3 210

129 Jessie Bates III Wake Forest Soph FS 5 6-2 200

130 Wyatt Teller Va. Tech Sr OG 5 6-5 308

131 Equanimeous St. Brown Notre Dame Jr WR 19 6-5 204

132 Arrion Springs Oregon Sr CB 19 5-11 205
133 Marcus Allen Penn St. Sr FS 6 6-2 202

134 Poona Ford Texas Sr DT 12 6-0 310
135 Scott Quessenberry UCLA Sr C 8 6-4 315
136 Nyheim Hines NC State Jr RB 12 5-9 197
137 Micah Kiser Virginia Sr ILB 6 6-2 240
138 Trevon Young Louisville Sr DE 14 6-4 255

139 Trey Quinn Southern Methodist Jr WR 20 6-0 203

140 Jeremy Reaves S. Alabama Jr FS 7 5-11 190

Now get out there and Scout well for those two Fourth Round Picks and make them count for something real.

GO PACK GO !