Official 2018 nfl draft thread

[Deputy Nutz]

Arden Key, not really any better than Landry. He plays more of a hybrid 3-4 outside linebacker than a defensive end, but really not impressed with him either.


The guy I like and he might be available in the second round for the Packers, is Lorenzo Carter from Georgia. He is more linebacker than defensive lineman. He had really good film against Notre Dame, and then some average film against Kentucky and Alabama. He plays more natural and with more flexibility than Landry or Key.

Sweat is also more of a defensive end than linebacker, but Carter is more fluid and uses better hands.

[pbmax]

Sorry I am not a fan of Landry. He doesn't pop off on film. He is in a 4 point stance 95% of the time and he doesn't use his hands well. He lacks explosion off the ball. To me he looks like the least productive guy in the top 5. I would much rather have Davenport.

Compare tapes of Chubb and Landry and they are not even in the same stratosphere.

Landry is supported to have an already developed array of pass rushing moves, especially compared to Davenport. Have read it over and over but here:

http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2018HLandry.php

Is it more he doesn't use his hands well to disengage?

[woodbuck27]

Landry is supported to have an already developed array of pass rushing moves, especially compared to Davenport. Have read it over and over but here:

http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2018HLandry.php

Is it more he doesn't use his hands well to disengage?

That is a very respected Draft Analysis sire.

What does this site (DRAFT ANALYST) say and I'm checking it out here in this post for the first time:

http://draftanalyst.com/harold-landry

He's (Harold Landry's) ranked next to Bradley Chubb or NO. 2 and just ahead of Marcus Davenport at NO. 3.

EDGE /DE Harold Landry - Boston College


Weaknesses:

Undersized
Liability as a run defender
Lacks strength
Lacks length
Questionable motor and effort in run defense
Does not have a good fit in a 4-3 defense


Summary:

" ...Every year in the NFL draft, there are players who enter the college football season as one of the top prospects but end up sliding to be late first- or second-round picks. Landry could keep that trend alive for the 2018 NFL Draft. Early in the 2017 season, there were draft pundits who were projecting Landry to be a high first-round pick. However, his senior year didn't go as planned, and now, Landry would be fortunate to go on Thursday night of the 2018 NFL Draft. ..."

Now what do they say about EDGE/DE Marcus Davenport?

http://draftanalyst.com/marcus-davenport

Neg:

" Displays average quickness off the snap. Lack of bulk is an issue. Often just pins his ears back, rushes up the field and overruns the play.
Analysis:

Davenport was a dominant defender at the college level and offers a good amount of upside for the NFL. He’s a terrific pass rusher who must improve the details of his position and fill out his frame to meet his potential. There may be bumps in the road early in Davenport’s NFL career, but if properly coached, he has a bright future as a starter. "

Comment woodbuck27:

So *** this Site *** says NO to drafting either EDGE / DE Harold Landry or Marcus Davenport in Round One.


*** Draft Analysis.

http://draftanalyst.com

[woodbuck27]

I wouldn't be shocked to see the Green Bay Packers Trade down from Pick NO. 14.

So having analyzed that distinct possibility will they go for a Top Positional Prospect and Trade Up?!

If they stay at NO. 14 I see them NOT using that Pick to go EDGE /DE, but rather BPA CB (hands off WR Calvin Ridley_ size) and at NO 45 and 76 Find a solid OL/CB/WR and the BPA WR/CB @ No. 76.

Theor next Pick is NO. 101 that they can use to trade up from either NO. 45 or NO. 76.

I want to see the Packers get the best players and need oin Rd. 1-3.

[Bretsky]

Arden Key, not really any better than Landry. He plays more of a hybrid 3-4 outside linebacker than a defensive end, but really not impressed with him either.


The guy I like and he might be available in the second round for the Packers, is Lorenzo Carter from Georgia. He is more linebacker than defensive lineman. He had really good film against Notre Dame, and then some average film against Kentucky and Alabama. He plays more natural and with more flexibility than Landry or Key.

Sweat is also more of a defensive end than linebacker, but Carter is more fluid and uses better hands.

HAHA

A GENIUS PICKED HIM IN THE PR MOCK ROUND 2

TY for letting him make that pick

[red]

It’s nice to see the new GM use his pre draft visits to bring in guys we might actually draft, not just guys expected to be undrafted free agents.

Maybe this GM won’t miss on as many draft picks

[pbmax]

ESPN NFL Nation Mock Draft (their beat guys including Demovsky for GB)

1. Browns - Darnold
2. Giants - Barkley
3. Jets - Mayfield
4. Browns - Chubb (overkill; nice overkill; but overkill; almost anticipate trade down unless they really feel need more pass rush)
5. Broncos - Ward (thinks the two QBs they like are gone and would prefer to trade down)
6. Colts - Nelson
7. Bucs - James (need a DB in worst way, especially strong safety)
8. Bears - Smith (Nelson if he is there, but otherwise LB)
9. 49ers - Fitzpatrick (secondary needs all around)
10. Raiders - Vea (need to help Mack)
11. Dolphins - Rosen (they are scouting all QBs and Seifert thinks its not a smokescreen-bol Polian wants to fight Kevin Seifert now)
12. Bills - Allen (want to trade up for this QB)
13. Redskins - Edmunds (need D-could also be Payne, Polian thinks he is an OLB)
14. Packers - Davenport (RD-GB want 1of3 DBs and want trade up, MD is pick at 14, Polian and McShay love pick-think he's Ziggy Ansah)
15. Cardinals - Jackson
16. Ravens - McGlinchey (want to trade down into 20s and take WR or TE)
17. Chargers - Evans (working out QBs)
18. Seahawks - Moore (want to trade down for defense)
19. Cowboys - Vander Esch (Todd Archer has gotten the last two Cowboys picks correct apparently (Taco Charlton and ??))
20. Lions - Bryan (need D line help)
21. Bengals - Price (need a new Center)
22. Bills - Alexander (if got a QB, need DB)
23. Patriots - Landry (need some pass rush-Polian buys the injury excuse for 2017)
24. Panthers - Hurst (need a weapon but for some reason doesn't want a WR because Greg Olson ::shrug:
25. Titans - Hubbard (Vrabel clone?)
26. Falcons - Payne (have need on D Line and can't believe he is here)
27. Saints - Ridley (are you kidding me?)
28. Steelers - Reid (like Rudolph and Guice too)
29. Jags - Hernandez (need to rebuild interior of O line, not future QB)
30. Vikings - Ragnow (Spielman wants to trade down but needs O line)
31. Patriots - Miller (need blindside protection for Brady)
32. Eagles - Guice (want to trade down but have scouted this RB closely)

[red]

COrrect me if I’m wrong, everyone keeps saying Davenport is ziggy ansah

Isn’t ansah a 4-3 DE, not a 3-4 OLB?

We’ve made the mistake in the past of getting the DEs that can’t play OLB for shit

[Bretsky]

I keep hearing he's raw and needs developing

[pbmax]

COrrect me if I’m wrong, everyone keeps saying Davenport is ziggy ansah

Isn’t ansah a 4-3 DE, not a 3-4 OLB?

We’ve made the mistake in the past of getting the DEs that can’t play OLB for shit

New DC. Even if he is not a 2 point OLB, there is room for a hand in dirt pass rusher from the end. You still have Matthews/Perry/Fackrell/Biegel to handle any OLB calls.

[Bretsky]

from Mike Mayock

2). Marcus Davenport, UTSA

There is quite the drop off at this position after Chubb. Davenport is a player who still needs time ti fill out into his frame. His motor also doesn’t allow him to be a player who provides consistent pressure on the quarterback at this point in his career. He has been a stand up pass rusher at UTSA, but he has the Build to become a defensive end in a 4-3 if needed. He is a player who is still fairly far from his potential.

[red]

New DC. Even if he is not a 2 point OLB, there is room for a hand in dirt pass rusher from the end. You still have Matthews/Perry/Fackrell/Biegel to handle any OLB calls.

i would say of the guys you listed, at least 2 already can't do much more then rush the passer (perry, mathews)

[red]

I keep hearing he's raw and needs developing

i've heard he's a massive boom or bust guy

that he has the highest ceiling of anyone in the draft, but that he's a very long ways away from there, and that he hasn't made a whole hell of a lot of progress in getting there so far

he's a guy that looks the part, but hasn't produced

[pbmax]

i would say of the guys you listed, at least 2 already can't do much more then rush the passer (perry, mathews)

Perry is a monster against the run. Matthews is good if he stays at home. Fackrell was better last year.

Need pass rush. Run D will be OK.

[Bretsky]

Perry is a monster against the run. Matthews is good if he stays at home. Fackrell was better last year.

Need pass rush. Run D will be OK.

"better" than horrible is still bad

[call_me_ishmael]

I have no inkling about this draft. I think that speaks to the lack of first round defensive talent. I guess just take the best player available at any position. I'd rather have that then reach and miss.

[woodbuck27]

i've heard he's a massive boom or bust guy

that he has the highest ceiling of anyone in the draft, but that he's a very long ways away from there, and that he hasn't made a whole hell of a lot of progress in getting there so far

he's a guy that looks the part, but hasn't produced

My very first time I watched him on video = STIFF.

I've watched him on video a lot and still see ... STIFF !

Mae even says between EDGE Marcus Davenport (Tier 2 and Graded at 5.99) Vs Landry (Tier 1 and Graded 6.15) it;'s Landry and he has a lot to prove he's ready for the Show in the NFL.

My guts scream NO to both Marcus Davenport and Harold Landry.

So what's really there and filling a NEED at NO. 14:

If they go BPA and Grade him anywhere like NFL.Com did it's for a real weakness now and Wide Receiver and WR Calvin Ridley, Alabama and his 6.40 Gade.

How about more athleticism at ILB and *** This Guy? How much of a project is this talent Vs Landry and Davenport?

Leighton Vander Esch - Boise State and Graded at 6.25 Right the Packers don't draft high and ILB..what a shame !? That eliminates this Guy ... Rashaan EVANS and LBer ,Alabama, and his 6.10 Grade and talent.

*** ... https://www.nfl.com/prospects/leight...6-0b4e5b5e883e

Is it another OT and Mike McGlinchey (Graded at Tier 2 and 5.95) and starting him on the Right side?

How about super move at O Guard and grabbing Tier 1 and with a GRADE of 6.12 UTEP's Will Hernandez? WE do not need projects unless it'd definitely longer term and re-building time. It's difficult to ever know what's going on in the collective Heads of Packer BRASS !? They've got more Secrets than the Free Masons. hahahaha

It's all rather complicated hahaha.

[pbmax]

"better" than horrible is still bad

Fackrell still can’t rush the passer but his run D was good last year.

[Deputy Nutz]

Landry is supported to have an already developed array of pass rushing moves, especially compared to Davenport. Have read it over and over but here:

http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2018HLandry.php

Is it more he doesn't use his hands well to disengage?

I love the feature on youtube where you can watch tape of guys verse teams and they are just the cuts that they are on the field. Anyone can put a high light film together and look like an all pro.

I thought I responded to this post yesterday, but I guess I didn't. Landry looks really stiff and plays really tall. I watched 3 films on him and was not impressed with his level of disruption.
His first step doesn't seem to gain any ground and he is not violent with his hands.

Davenport is raw, no doubt. It would be troublesome if the Packers were in a position to draft either one of these guys with the 14th pick, but Davenport is a 6-6 outside linebacker in a 3-4 scheme and has the physical tools to get way better. I take the upside with Davenport. I don't know what Mayock is talking about when he refers to his motor, the film I watched of the guy he is chasing plays down away from him and up field. He probably wears out by the end of the game since he is the only playmaker for a shitty team.

The more I use Youtube the better I can see for myself about these athletes. I am sure Mayock has spent more time on it, but all of these draft prognosticators have agendas.

[mraynrand]

I am sure Mayock has spent more time on it, but all of these draft prognosticators have agendas.

Interesting. What's Mayock's agenda?