Put up or Shut up

[bobblehead]

Shhh. Don't spoil the narrative that this is M3's only chance to prove he's capable without Rodgers and mitigating circumstances be damned.

You can take in all the mitigating factors. I didn't say it was his only chance, I said it was finally a chance to see.

[Smidgeon]

You can take in all the mitigating factors. I didn't say it was his only chance, I said it was finally a chance to see.

I agree with you. I was thinking in general about all the hubbub around the interwebs about this. Most people aren't being even handed.

[Zool]

I agree with you. I was thinking in general about all the hubbub around the interwebs about this. Most people aren't being even handed.

Well that doesn’t sound like the internet at all.

[MadScientist]

You can take in all the mitigating factors. I didn't say it was his only chance, I said it was finally a chance to see.

No, if Hundley plays really well, they'll just say MM lucked into another great QB. After all Brady was a 5th round pick as well.

[pbmax]

No, if Hundley plays really well, they'll just say MM lucked into another great QB. After all Brady was a 5th round pick as well.

Any idiot could have drafted Hundley in Round 5! He fell into their lap!

[Pugger]

No, if Hundley plays really well, they'll just say MM lucked into another great QB. After all Brady was a 5th round pick as well.

I know what you are trying to say but Brady was taken in the 6th if memory serves.

[bobblehead]

Right now I tend to put the CB mess a bit more on TT. He drafted two athletes instead of football players. It works with UDFA who you have time to develop. 1st and 2nd rounders shouldn't need to undergo that much of a learning curve.

[mraynrand]

I thought Stubby coaching Favre was his chance to prove he was capable without Rodgers.

[bobblehead]

I thought Stubby coaching Favre was his chance to prove he was capable without Rodgers.

Nope. Living off the awesome success that was mike sherman.

[Maxie the Taxi]

I suspect Arod's injury will affect our chances to win.

[mraynrand]

Do they both have metallic, mint-green Buick Skylarks?

[Teamcheez1]

If Hundley plays as poorly against the Lions then they should put Callahan in for part of the game.

I don't expect him to play any better, but at least it well send the right message.

This also assumes MM can game plan better with two weeks preparation.

[mraynrand]

If Hundley plays as poorly against the Lions then they should put Callahan in for part of the game.

I don't expect him to play any better, but at least it well send the right message.

This also assumes MM can game plan better with two weeks preparation.

well, he was 12-25, meaning there were 13 incompletions. I don't have the full analysis of those, but I'm betting they aren't all on him. It's not a huge repertoire of passes, really, so I'm not sure he was as awful as people are making him out to be. The most worrisome thing is whether the hints from Stubby suggesting he needs the playbook further simplified are a reflection on Hundley's lack of prep and capability, the bad o-line, or both. No way to know that until the next game.

I'm guessing Callahan autoparts won't be much better at this point, but someone had to call for the backup after just one week.

[Teamcheez1]

well, he was 12-25, meaning there were 13 incompletions. I don't have the full analysis of those, but I'm betting they aren't all on him. It's not a huge repertoire of passes, really, so I'm not sure he was as awful as people are making him out to be. The most worrisome thing is whether the hints from Stubby suggesting he needs the playbook further simplified are a reflection on Hundley's lack of prep and capability, the bad o-line, or both. No way to know that until the next game.

I'm guessing Callahan autoparts won't be much better at this point, but someone had to call for the backup after just one week.

I don't really think Callahan is any good. I just need Hundley to play better. Part inexperience, part play calling, part game plan. All or some of those reasons factor in.

Throwing for under 50% and less than 100 yards can be done by any QB off the street.

[mraynrand]

Throwing for under 50% and less than 100 yards can be done by any QB off the street.

You ever watch/read "The Paper Lion?"

[QBME]

You ever watch/read "The Paper Lion?"

Yup. Interesting comparison.

[denverYooper]

well, he was 12-25, meaning there were 13 incompletions. I don't have the full analysis of those, but I'm betting they aren't all on him. It's not a huge repertoire of passes, really, so I'm not sure he was as awful as people are making him out to be. The most worrisome thing is whether the hints from Stubby suggesting he needs the playbook further simplified are a reflection on Hundley's lack of prep and capability, the bad o-line, or both. No way to know that until the next game.

I'm guessing Callahan autoparts won't be much better at this point, but someone had to call for the backup after just one week.

Of course, I can get a hell of a good look at a T-Bone steak by sticking my head up a bull's ass, but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it.

[mraynrand]

Of course, I can get a hell of a good look at a T-Bone steak by sticking my head up a bull's ass, but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it.

I can take a dump in a Packers uniform and call it a quarterback, I've got time. But then all you've got is a uniform-covered piece of crap.


I guess I just don't think that describes Hundley. I could easily be wrong, but I still think there's more there. Hope to see more next week.

[pbmax]

Yoop feisty tonight

The part I worry about with Hundley is that he looked like a pocket thrower versus backups and with his WR (the second and third teamers) two years ago. He could move and run*. He could throw a slant or slant and go to Janis. That seemed solid for a spread offense guy who was always in the gun in college doing pre-snap reads.

In his first start, he looked like a guy who wasn't good at post-snap reads with receivers out in a pattern no matter where he took the snap. Even when McCarthy ran a bunch or a (gasp!) crossing route, he didn't find open receivers easily.

So was two years ago a mirage or was he always just shy of skittish and unsure?

I HOPE McCarthy means he's going to take out the ARod part of the offense and simplify the QB reads until his new guy is steady and has learned the nuances of his starting WRs going against starting DBs.

McCarthy said he did not do a good enough job making Hundley comfortable in the pocket so he could make a play. That could mean almost anything, but with Hundley changing formations and the receivers then running identical routes, I think it means less pre snap stuff for the QB to call and more time to read the D.

I hope it works.


*Though I don't remember him looking brilliant on running and throwing, which Rodgers excels at. In the future, we could abbreviate "Not As Well As Rodgers" as NAWAR to save time.

[denverYooper]

Yoop feisty tonight

The part I worry about with Hundley is that he looked like a pocket thrower versus backups and with his WR (the second and third teamers) two years ago. He could move and run*. He could throw a slant or slant and go to Janis. That seemed solid for a spread offense guy who was always in the gun in college doing pre-snap reads.

In his first start, he looked like a guy who wasn't good at post-snap reads with receivers out in a pattern no matter where he took the snap. Even when McCarthy ran a bunch or a (gasp!) crossing route, he didn't find open receivers easily.

So was two years ago a mirage or was he always just shy of skittish and unsure?

I HOPE McCarthy means he's going to take out the ARod part of the offense and simplify the QB reads until his new guy is steady and has learned the nuances of his starting WRs going against starting DBs.

McCarthy said he did not do a good enough job making Hundley comfortable in the pocket so he could make a play. That could mean almost anything, but with Hundley changing formations and the receivers then running identical routes, I think it means less pre snap stuff for the QB to call and more time to read the D.

I hope it works.


*Though I don't remember him looking brilliant on running and throwing, which Rodgers excels at. In the future, we could abbreviate "Not As Well As Rodgers" as NAWAR to save time.

I was just playing off of the Callhan auto parts line .

In this case, though, M3 is the butcher and I'm taking his word for it that Hundley's the guy until he isn't. I saw some nice throws mixed with some iffy ones. The long sideline throw to Cobb looked bad as a bang-bang play but when they showed the replay it looked like he did give Cobb a chance to get it. He actually seemed to be comfortable going Cobb so I wouldn't be surprised to see more stuff designed with that in mind.

He didn't seem to miss high as much as he did against Minny. And the next time they give him a deep shot, they should send Janis out... just make sure Janis practices his defensive maneuvers as well.

I think you are right about pre-snap responsibilities. I don't know that he was skittish exactly, but after throwing 3 INTs last week he might have made an overly conservative mental adjustment to the speed of a starting defense.