Put up or Shut up

[Maxie the Taxi]

McCarthy is only one part of the decision to have Hundley be the backup QB. Thompson has final roster say. The decision to stick with Hundley isn't going to hurt him with Thompson.

A malfunctioning offense for the rest of the season might.

But the biggest bone of contention will be the defense. The 3rd down problem has been there through a LOT of years and personnel. Thompson has said he doesn't like telling a coach who his assistants should be, but if the team decides Capers needs to go, McCarthy might balk. He has gone to the mat publicly for Capers before.

That's a bit of a contradiction...Thompson "doesn't like telling a coach who his assistants should be," but has "final say" on who his backup QB should be? I think both TT and Stubby completely committed to Hundley as the backup a year or two ago. Both are fully invested in him because I think they genuinely like him as a person and know he has the physical tools. Hundley's problem is between his ears. Maybe Stubby can fix that, maybe he can't. Time will tell for sure.

[pbmax]

That's a bit of a contradiction...Thompson "doesn't like telling a coach who his assistants should be," but has "final say" on who his backup QB should be? I think both TT and Stubby completely committed to Hundley as the backup a year or two ago. Both are fully invested in him because I think they genuinely like him as a person and know he has the physical tools. Hundley's problem is between his ears. Maybe Stubby can fix that, maybe he can't. Time will tell for sure.

Its not a contradiction any more that Wolf telling Holmgren that despite Wolf having final roster say he would never stick Holmy with a player he truly did not want on his team. Thompson could fire the entire assistant coaching staff and retain only Edgar Bennett by the letter of his contract, doesn't mean he is going to do it.

McGinn surmised (all but said it happened this way but with no sources other than the voices in his head) that Thompson wanted to fire Sanders a year before McCarthy ended up announcing the defensive coaches were out. Did Thompson order this? Probably not by my read, but I suspect, as Bob does, that he made his view known to the HC.

I suspect they know what is going on in Hundley's head much better now that when he was a rookie or that scouting report was created. They've been living with him for three years. They trusted Rodgers, I am giving them a free one on Hundley.

[bobblehead]

I suspect they know what is going on in Hundley's head much better now that when he was a rookie or that scouting report was created. They've been living with him for three years. They trusted Rodgers, I am giving them a free one on Hundley.

I was giving them a free one til I watched our QB throw every pass 5 yards or less coming off a bye week. Not so much now.

[esoxx]

Bring Black Graham Harrell!!!

[Harlan Huckleby]

Bring Black Graham Harrell!!!

Hundley is the black Graham HArrell.

[MadScientist]

The Packers have answered this thread - They're shutting up.

[ThunderDan]

Here are Matt Cassel's 1st 5 games as Brady's replacement in 2008:
13/18, 152 yards 1TD NE Points for Game - 17
16/23, 165 yards NE Points for Game - 19
19/31, 131 yards 1TD, 1INT NE Points for Game - 13
22/32, 259 yards 1TD, 2INT NE Points for Game - 30
22/38, 203 yards 1INT NE Points for Game - 10

Should NE have been looking for a different backup QB after those 5 games?

[woodbuck27]

Here are Matt Cassel's 1st 5 games as Brady's replacement in 2008:
13/18, 152 yards 1TD NE Points for Game - 17
16/23, 165 yards NE Points for Game - 19
19/31, 131 yards 1TD, 1INT NE Points for Game - 13
22/32, 259 yards 1TD, 2INT NE Points for Game - 30
22/38, 203 yards 1INT NE Points for Game - 10

Should NE have been looking for a different backup QB after those 5 games?

This won't ne too hard....hahaha.

Hey ThunderDan.... after those five games what was their Record with Matt Cassel as their Backup QB and were they losing?

In The 2008 Season and Week NO. 1 and despite losing Starting QB Tom Brady to a Season ending torn ACL and MCL and Backup QB Matt Cassell coming on to replace Brady the Patriots won the game against the KC Chiefs by a score of 17-10.

Week 2: The New England Patriots defeat the New York Jets by a score of 19-10. Season Record is now 2W - 0L.

Week 3: The Patriots suffer a terrible loss to the Miami Dolphins by a score of 38-13. Big Deal their HC id Bill Belichick and their Bye Week is in Week 4....loads of time to Re-Load. ....Season Record 2W - 1 L.

Week 4: Bye Week

Week 5: How well did the Patriots respond on a Road Game? Well not too bad with [B]a 30-21 win over the San Francisco 49ers.The Patriots Season Record goes to 3 W-1 L. It's OK and after a tough first game of a two game Western Road Swing..

Week 6: Work to do as the Patriots drop this 2nd game in a row on the Road (and it's difficult to play out West on the Road).At San Diego the Final Score was Chargers 30 - Patriots 10. The Season Record now falls to 3 W - 2 L.

Week 7: Back Home after going 1-1 on the Road and their Season Record at 3-2 the NE Patriots Blow Out the Denver Broncos by a score of 41-7.

Their Season Record goes to 4 W - 2 L....piece of cake !


Week 8: The Patriots keep rolling defeating the RAMS by a score of 23-16 to push their record without Tom Brady to 5 W - 2 L.

Things were going very well for the New England Patriots without the GREAT Tom Brady. The QB who will be deemed by a majority as the Greatest QB to ever play the game of football.

Despite finishing the regular season with an 11–5 record, the Patriots did not qualify for the playoffs. They were the first 11-win team since the expansion to a 12-team playoff in 1990 to not make the playoffs.

ThunderDan do you want to try to make some other point?

[ThunderDan]

ThunderDan do you want to try to make some other point?

What point do you think I am trying to make? Because you completely missed it the first time you responded.

[woodbuck27]

What point do you think I am trying to make? Because you completely missed it the first time you responded.

You just keep being you and believing what you believe.

If that works for you ...awesome.

What I wouldn't give to have you on my Poker Table.hahaha

Easy Money ... Bank.

[ThunderDan]

You just keep being you and believing what you believe.

If that works for you ...awesome.

What I wouldn't give to have you on my Poker Table.hahaha

Easy Money ..Bank.

When you have a WSOP final table and over $200,000 in live tournament cashes I'll let you play in my home game.

Does it make it better because it is a different color and size?

[Rutnstrut]

Here are Matt Cassel's 1st 5 games as Brady's replacement in 2008:
13/18, 152 yards 1TD NE Points for Game - 17
16/23, 165 yards NE Points for Game - 19
19/31, 131 yards 1TD, 1INT NE Points for Game - 13
22/32, 259 yards 1TD, 2INT NE Points for Game - 30
22/38, 203 yards 1INT NE Points for Game - 10

Should NE have been looking for a different backup QB after those 5 games?

Moot point, NE had a defense. GB has none, not kind of one, NONE!!!

[ThunderDan]

Moot point, NE had a defense. GB has none, not kind of one, NONE!!!

Finally, someone who gets my point.

The D is horrible and it isn’t reasonable for a backup QB to step in and run the O like the starter. It will take weeks for the O and Hundley to get to be a smooth running unit.

NE had a D that could step up and win games. We don’t. Losses will pile up but I am still not going to judge Hundley harshly yet. He needs more time to be honestly evaluated.

[Rutnstrut]

Finally, someone who gets my point.

The D is horrible and it isn’t reasonable for a backup QB to step in and run the O like the starter. It will take weeks for the O and Hundley to get to be a smooth running unit.

NE had a D that could step up and win games. We don’t. Losses will pile up but I am still not going to judge Hundley harshly yet. He needs more time to be honestly evaluated.

I agree with you that it's really too soon to be judging Hundley. I can and will however harshly judge the rest of the team and coaching staff which yet again has failed to step up.

[ThunderDan]

I'm coming out to Maine next summer for a conference. Maybe we could meet somewhere out there and play $50/$100 NLH with a $10,000 buy-in heads-up.

Not worth my time or money to take less than 10k from you.

[woodbuck27]

I'm coming out to Maine next summer for a conference. Maybe we could meet somewhere out there and play $50/$100 NLH with a $10,000 buy-in heads-up.

Not worth my time or money to take less than 10k from you.

Will your shit - bullshit smell any differently in Maine than in Wisconsin?

[ThunderDan]

I'm coming out to Maine next summer for a conference. Maybe we could meet somewhere out there and play $50/$100 NLH with a $10,000 buy-in heads-up.

Not worth my time or money to take less than 10k from you.

Will your shit - bullshit smell any differently in Maine than in Wisconsin?

I'll take that as a No.

[woodbuck27]

I'll take that as a No.

I'm being a really nice Guy and offering you 'the Mercy Rule'.

ThunderDan I would do to you the same as I've done to over the TOP way too many:

Swollow your chips $Cash$ on a Poker Table.

You would simply be ' the Chump ' to me Sonny. Thst is NO BS. Your a certain Mark...I'd own you ThunderDan.

I know my skills and playing Poker are strong. I have too much faith in my intelligence and what playing Poker very well overall means

Your far too young and too inexperienced and certainly not smart enough to ever survive me on a Poker Table.

You would end up one very frustrated and broken young man.

[mraynrand]

And you have to beat those pro bowl QBs eventually.

The defense isn't good enough to beat them without an offense able to apply some pressure by scoring points. Packers need to put up or shut up on both sides of the ball.

[Maxie the Taxi]

I have defended TT and M3 often against the charge that they are lucky morons who landed Arod... ...maybe it is time to get Rodgers the coach and GM he deserves.

It is time.