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    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    Well M3 and T2 were right about Rodgers when no one in their right mind thought they would be. In fact, most didn't even consider Rodgers early career on par with Hasselback.

    So I am willing to give them time on this one. But this season doesn't allow for a lot of time for development.
    Why not? Let Hundley play the rest of the season and get some experience under his belt. If he shows he can play in this league we might be able to get something for him this offseason. He's not gonna want to hand around GB being Rodgers' understudy the rest of his career if he can start somewhere else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pugger View Post
    Why not? Let Hundley play the rest of the season and get some experience under his belt. If he shows he can play in this league we might be able to get something for him this offseason. He's not gonna want to hand around GB being Rodgers' understudy the rest of his career if he can start somewhere else.
    It seems a waste of a 4-2 start, that's why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    It seems a waste of a 4-2 start, that's why.
    The 4-1 start ended when Rodgers was injured. We're a completely different team without the all-world QB. We've got an average defense (at best) and an average offense (at best) when Hundley gets some seasoning.

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    This is an 8-8 team at the end of the season (at best) if Hundley progresses. Before that, the offense is below average so your looking at 4-12 to 6-10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beveaux1 View Post
    This is an 8-8 team at the end of the season (at best) if Hundley progresses. Before that, the offense is below average so your looking at 4-12 to 6-10.
    Do we really want to end up 8-8? If we aren't gonna go deep into the playoffs what good is 8-8? I'm not saying let's tank but it wouldn't be the worst thing to have highish draft pick for a change to inject more talent in this team for when Rodgers returns in 2018.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pugger View Post
    Do we really want to end up 8-8? If we aren't gonna go deep into the playoffs what good is 8-8? I'm not saying let's tank but it wouldn't be the worst thing to have highish draft pick for a change to inject more talent in this team for when Rodgers returns in 2018.
    Years ago, I might have agreed, but that losing spirit it devastating. You really can lose guys and a team if they start thinking they're not playing to win. Down that road lies the Cleveland Browns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mraynrand View Post
    Years ago, I might have agreed, but that losing spirit it devastating. You really can lose guys and a team if they start thinking they're not playing to win. Down that road lies the Cleveland Browns.
    I'm not advocating we deliberately tank but if we lose most of the rest of our games it might not be the worst thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pugger View Post
    I'm not advocating we deliberately tank but if we lose most of the rest of our games it might not be the worst thing.
    Hundley continuing to perform at yesterday's level will do the trick.

    I didn't see the game except on Red Zone, so I didn't really get to see much. Who stopped our running game more New Orleans or McCarthy? Did anyone else think he could have tried sticking to the run more an used it to open up opportunities for the passing game? Was that not possible?

    Are we getting the kind of pass rush that will help the back end of the defense? Not sacks but hurries, pressures and hits. Anything to move the QB off his mark. I wasn't seeing much in the limited highlights I was able to see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pugger View Post
    Do we really want to end up 8-8? If we aren't gonna go deep into the playoffs what good is 8-8? I'm not saying let's tank but it wouldn't be the worst thing to have highish draft pick for a change to inject more talent in this team for when Rodgers returns in 2018.
    The NO game made the Packers look like they would struggle to win any more games this season. The one reason going 8-8 or 9-7 would be good for the Packers even if they don't make the playoffs is that it would mean that Hundley starts playing at a high level. If he finishes the season hot, he will be very hot property during the off season. If a crappy team in need of a QB gets shut out of the top college QB's, the Packers may be able to turn Hundley into a very high pick and fill one the big holes they have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beveaux1 View Post
    This is an 8-8 team at the end of the season (at best) if Hundley progresses. Before that, the offense is below average so your looking at 4-12 to 6-10.
    That would be solid for a first year starter. ARod was 6-10 his first year starting off of a 13-3 season. I hope he progresses and we finish 4-4 with him as starter. That would be a win and a feather in MMs cap in my book.
    I don't hold Grudges. It's counterproductive.

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    That last statement means they could win 25% to 38% of their remaining games if Hundley doesn't progress.

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    My problem is with M3 and the Defense. I can live with the drop off on offense but the d has been a festering sore for years. I'm not even going to go into detail as every aspect of the is a problem from the play calling to the players to the philosophy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZachMN View Post
    My problem is with M3 and the Defense. I can live with the drop off on offense but the d has been a festering sore for years. I'm not even going to go into detail as every aspect of the is a problem from the play calling to the players to the philosophy.
    Please, go into every aspect.

    Half of the D is on the injury list.

    Please, go into every aspect.

    The D limited the high flying Saints offense in check damn near every step of the way.

    Please, go into every aspect.

    So, we lost. Damn near pulled it off, a bad choice at the end cost.

    Please, PLEASE go into every stinkin' aspect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QBME View Post
    Please, go into every aspect.

    Half of the D is on the injury list.

    Please, go into every aspect.

    The D limited the high flying Saints offense in check damn near every step of the way.

    Please, go into every aspect.

    So, we lost. Damn near pulled it off, a bad choice at the end cost.

    Please, PLEASE go into every stinkin' aspect.
    The Saints offense was very mediocre today and still gained 485 yards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teamcheez1 View Post
    The Saints offense was very mediocre today and still gained 485 yards.
    Yup, for a whoppin' 26 points.

    I get it, shoulda, coulda, woulda...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teamcheez1 View Post
    The Saints offense was very mediocre today and still gained 485 yards.
    Correct. That happens when your own offense has a lot of 3 and outs and gives a TON of time to the other team.
    I don't hold Grudges. It's counterproductive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QBME View Post
    Please, go into every aspect.

    Half of the D is on the injury list.

    Please, go into every aspect.

    The D limited the high flying Saints offense in check damn near every step of the way.

    Please, go into every aspect.

    So, we lost. Damn near pulled it off, a bad choice at the end cost.

    Please, PLEASE go into every stinkin' aspect.
    This game wasn't nearly as close as you seem to have seen it. Either it's your homerism or something you are smoking, or both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rutnstrut View Post
    This game wasn't nearly as close as you seem to have seen it. Either it's your homerism or something you are smoking, or both.
    Eh, prolly somewhere in between. I just look at the scoreboard, time left, down and distance, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QBME View Post
    Please, go into every aspect.

    Half of the D is on the injury list.

    Please, go into every aspect.

    The D limited the high flying Saints offense in check damn near every step of the way.

    Please, go into every aspect.

    So, we lost. Damn near pulled it off, a bad choice at the end cost.

    Please, PLEASE go into every stinkin' aspect.
    Are you serious? The D has been a joke for YEARS! You want aspects? Tackling, scheme, talent evaluation, philosophy- that's on Stubby 100%- and their production- yeah we have an epic offense but at the end of the day you need to get teams off the field and ours gets ground up, exploded, picked apart, dinked and dunked-it gets beat IN EVERY ASPECT BY EVERY STYLE OF OFFENSE REGULARLY! It is a fatal flaw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZachMN View Post
    Are you serious? The D has been a joke for YEARS! You want aspects? Tackling, scheme, talent evaluation, philosophy- that's on Stubby 100%- and their production- yeah we have an epic offense but at the end of the day you need to get teams off the field and ours gets ground up, exploded, picked apart, dinked and dunked-it gets beat IN EVERY ASPECT BY EVERY STYLE OF OFFENSE REGULARLY! It is a fatal flaw.
    Wow, I am now convinced. That is one heck of a dissertation.

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