LIFE IS ABOUT CHAMPIONSHIPS; I JUST REALIZED THIS. The MILWAUKEE BUCKS have won the same number of championships over the past 50 years as the Green Bay Packers. Ten years from now, who will have more championships, and who will be the fart in the wind ?
So, his point is that QB is the most important position...DUH!Originally Posted by Bretsky
He thinks that having a big edge at RB is not much worse than having a big edge in S and WR...its a passing league, that is a HUGE EDGE. Especially when you factor the packers OL advantage, it negates the RB advantage.
Talk to me when we lose the next 6 straight and we are 0-7 without Rodgers.
I don't hold Grudges. It's counterproductive.
The Browns aren't a laughing stock because of the QB position; they're a laughing stock because the organization is a mess. They've had several QBs who have been sufficiently competent to run an offense and generate wins. If you look, Hoyer was actually their last winning QB. THat's not too long ago - a few years. McCown can win games - and is wining games for the Jets this year. Both of those guys played some games before becoming starters for Cleveland. The difference right now for the Packers is that their backup lacks actual NFL starting experience.
But back to Cleveland-Packers organization. These are vastly different situations. Obviously the Browns went with this moneyball approach run by non-football people. They've accumulated all these picks, but depleted the roster, gotten extraordinarily young at key positions, made lots of draft blunders, and passed on a franchise QB twice. In contrast, the Packers hired a coach who is a QB guru, and they found their guy. Stubby and TT organized the team around Rodgers and winning with mostly a dominant offense. That's why they suffer so much with Rodgers out - much like the Colts became dependent on Manning. The league is QB-centered and designed to punish success. The teams that can consistently win find ways to counter this, but mostly they do so centering their team around a talented dynamic QB. But to even suggest that Cleveland = GB - Rodgers is absurd, even if they both end up with the same record. Because if Rodgers is lost for more than a year/ when he retires, the Packers will go get that next QB and run their team around that guy. They may be less successful until they get/train him up, but they will be on the correct path. The same cannot - at all - be said for Cleveland, because - in addition to a myriad of other problems - they still haven't figured out that it's a QB driven league and that they must get their franchise QB - this, even though they hired a supposed QB guru/offensive-minded coach.
"Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck
It doesn't help that the team changes coaches and front offices on schedule about every four years. By the time they have a handle on the job, in come the new incompetents.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
this all day
Absolutely true.
The position by position comparison in the article seems fairly valid. Cleveland may be as bad as they are because of flaws other than personnel, but the point of the article is about the Packers, and how mediocre the roster is other than Aaron Rodgers. That much is pretty hard to disagree with. Our O Line is crap. Our D personnel other than the D Line is mediocre at best. Good pass receivers make a QB better; We're finding out that ours only seemed as good as they seemed because of our QB.
It's not just a question of having the team built around the QB; It's being way too lax (or unlucky if you prefer) about building up a decent supporting cast at all.
What could be more GOOD and NORMAL and AMERICAN than Packer Football?
This is all why I am, so far, disappointed with Hundley's performance. I know it's a very small sample size, but he does not look like a guy who's been studying and waiting in the wings for over two years.
Cripes, Mikey, just turn him loose to do what he does best. Quit trying to protect him with the play calling. And offensive line, give the kid a little time to throw the ball already.
And Hundley, prove that you're an NFL quarterback. Make the reads. See the whole field.
"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
KYPack
He seems to have regressed as a passer. Is that even possible?
But it was just one game....
The Browns are headed to 0-8 this season which will place them at 4-36 over the last three seasons.
Someone is going to make the argument that they are as good as the Packers sans the QB?
Even though you can find gems later in the draft or sign FA, it's just a harder numbers game when you are always picking late. The difference makers go early
If I posted more articles from this guy he'd soon be considered Satan as Bob McGinn was in here. Agree or not it was an interesting analysis. It shows how important the QB is; and questions how well we've done building around the best player in the NFL
LIFE IS ABOUT CHAMPIONSHIPS; I JUST REALIZED THIS. The MILWAUKEE BUCKS have won the same number of championships over the past 50 years as the Green Bay Packers. Ten years from now, who will have more championships, and who will be the fart in the wind ?
BRETT HUNDLEY
From 2015 NFL Draft Tracker:
Overview
In 2014, selected second-team All-Pac-12, was a Davey O'Brien Award semifinalist, was named a team captain and started 13 games for the Bruins. Led the team with 10 rushing touchdowns. Became the first UCLA quarterback to win 9-plus games in three consecutive seasons. Finished his career as the all-time leader in UCLA history with 75 touchdowns and 11,677 total yards. Started every game in 2013 and was selected honorable mention All-Pac-12. Named Co-MVP of Sun Bowl. Became first player in school history to throw, catch and run for a touchdown in a game (vs. Utah). Selected honorable mention All-Pac-12 as 14-game starter in 2012, setting school records for completions, passing yards and total offense. Named Arizona Gatorade Player of the Year in 2009 at Chandler High School. Named SuperPrep Farwest Offensive Player of the Year.
Analysis
Strengths
Well-built with frame sturdy enough to handle rigors of the position. Asked to get through progressions and make decisions. Willing to stand in and take the hit when he zeroes in on his target. Willing to get take downfield shot and give his receiver a chance to make the play. Has the ability to maneuver inside of pocket to buy time. Poised enough from pocket. Has adequate release and enough arm when he sits down on his throws. Above-average foot quickness to escape pocket. Hit 57-yard play action touchdown from under center against Washington in 2014 (just seven attempts under center all year). Good sense of pocket pressure and is decisive when he decides to bolt. Dangerous as a runner with enough speed to hit a big play on the ground. Dual-threat ability increases his effectiveness in red zone. Displays his toughness almost every time out.
Weaknesses
Hasn't shown an ability to win from the pocket yet. Protected by play action-based short passing game that held linebackers and cornerbacks at bay. Internal clock is a mess. Has marginal anticipation, and appears to be lacking in ability to read defenses and create a pre-snap plan. Slow getting through progressions, taking 125 sacks in three years. Inconsistent weight transfer on throws, which affects accuracy (throws sail) and velocity. Needs to reset feet when swiveling from side to side while scanning for next target. Gets crowded in pocket rather than sliding to open space. Short-arms too many throws. Ineffective, inaccurate passer outside of pocket with lowest completion percentage in Pac-12 when scrambling (32.6 percent). Misses opportunities to climb pocket while keeping eyes downfield rather than taking off as a runner.
Draft Projection Round 4 or 5
Sources Tell Us
"Someone will draft him, but I don't think he will ever be a starter. He can't read coverages and struggles to process. It is going to take a few years before he looks like a backup in my opinion. He has a long way to go." -- AFC area scout
NFL Comparison Jason Campbell
Bottom Line
Hundley flashes athleticism and talent, but his basic quarterbacking issues will take time to improve. In 2014, more than 54 percent of his pass attempts were from six yards and in, including 29 percent from behind the line of scrimmage, which is nothing like an NFL offense. Hundley is a "flash" prospect who shows the physical tools to be a starter, but his internal clock and issues with reads and progressions must be improved to give him a shot at becoming a decent NFL starter.
One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers
HOFer
sooo, he hasn't changed at all under 3 years of guidance from the "QB guru"
"3 years"
"Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck
It appears everyone - and not just folks here - thinks our roster is a dumpster fire and only 4 or 5 of the guys on our roster outside #12 would start for another team and the rest would be lucky to play ST elsewhere - including the Browns. The only reason we won't be picking #1 next spring is because we won 4 games before Rodgers got hurt. Why would Rodgers even want to sign an extension in 2020 and waste more time with these losers?
/sarcasm
You can find a LOT of exceptions to that - and we sure haven't had our share of them.
What could be more GOOD and NORMAL and AMERICAN than Packer Football?
Certainly not on the offensive line.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
Of course you can find exceptions. But you have to add contex. Are you cherry picking or looking at actual frequencies. Like how often is an all pro OLB selected after the 20th pick?
Is Daniels an exception or the rule for where he was picked?
If the top 10 WR in the game, how many made it to the second round?
If the Packers are selecting poor players at their position who does a better job on average? And how are you scoring it? Tackles? Yards surrendered? What weight do
Give to overall schedule? Do other teams have more passing yards over the past ten years against the Packers because they are trying to catch up/ keep pace versus a terrible D? Would they have fewer yards if the Packers O sucked and they ran it more to run out the clock?
Etc etc.
I don't have perfect answers for those questions so that's why I put more weight on the total team concept and results.
Certainly not on the offensive line.
actually Buluga was a pick in the 20's and when healthy he's pretty dam good
LIFE IS ABOUT CHAMPIONSHIPS; I JUST REALIZED THIS. The MILWAUKEE BUCKS have won the same number of championships over the past 50 years as the Green Bay Packers. Ten years from now, who will have more championships, and who will be the fart in the wind ?
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