More Banjo: Week 9 vs. Detroit

[pbmax]

Absolutely pathetic showing. Pass rush nowhere to be found.

Agreed. Plus as someone was complaining for a while, no bump on receivers means they get free fast, which leaves less time for pass rush to get there.

[mraynrand]

Agreed. Plus as someone was complaining for a while, no bump on receivers means they get free fast, which leaves less time for pass rush to get there.

We only have one defensive back who even knows how to plaster and he's a rookie.

[mraynrand]

so much for fuckdoggles. We can't even manage a dogfuckle.

[Pugger]

so much for fuckdoggles. We can't even manage a dogfuckle.

Didn't Biegel force a fumble?

[Harlan Huckleby]

Football is a QB game. It was David vrs. Golliath. Golliath wins 99 out of hundred times, that was a lucky shot in the bible.

[Carolina_Packer]

Now we see how much of a deodorant A-Rod was to the defense. They had some moments where they were tough against the run, but then Detroit is not exactly a running team. The failure to generate a pass rush by winning one on ones, and then getting whipped on all of the all out blitzes is very discouraging.

[pbmax]

Now we see how much of a deodorant A-Rod was to the defense. They had some moments where they were tough against the run, but then Detroit is not exactly a running team. The failure to generate a pass rush by winning one on ones, and then getting whipped on all of the all out blitzes is very discouraging.

Its easier to see defense's holes even when Rodgers was playing. But the holes in offense, for me, are easier to see now.

However, the final state of the offense won't be decided until the coach and the QB have to decide what they are going to do on offense. After this game, I think it means no huddle and lots of Monty not Jones.

[Carolina_Packer]

Its easier to see defense's holes even when Rodgers was playing. But the holes in offense, for me, are easier to see now.

However, the final state of the offense won't be decided until the coach and the QB have to decide what they are going to do on offense. After this game, I think it means no huddle and lots of Monty not Jones.

Not that Green Bay has ever been accused of being a running team under McCarthy, but I was wondering if they would try and establish the run more once Hundley became the starter. Use the run to setup play action and then take your chances down the field on play action. Nope. This isn't second-guessing, just wondering out loud. I wonder if McCarthy ever thought about taking pressure off of Hundley by becoming more of a run first team when A-Rod went down. If you don't really run the ball, even with Hundley in there, aren't you limiting your offense and asking Hundley to replicate A-Rod's efforts to some extent? The approach seems a bit forced or hard-headed.

[Joemailman]

Not that Green Bay has ever been accused of being a running team under McCarthy, but I was wondering if they would try and establish the run more once Hundley became the starter. Use the run to setup play action and then take your chances down the field on play action. Nope. This isn't second-guessing, just wondering out loud. I wonder if McCarthy ever thought about taking pressure off of Hundley by becoming more of a run first team when A-Rod went down. If you don't really run the ball, even with Hundley in there, aren't you limiting your offense and asking Hundley to replicate A-Rod's efforts to some extent? The approach seems a bit forced or hard-headed.

They initially had some running success against New Orleans. However, it becomes harder to run the ball when the opposing defense isn't worried about you throwing the ball more than 10 yards downfield.

[Harlan Huckleby]

They initially had some running success against New Orleans. However, it becomes harder to run the ball when the opposing defense isn't worried about you throwing the ball more than 10 yards downfield.

Agreed.
My mind went kind of numb last night. Play calling seemed to be the least of their problems. Hundley just can't throw accurately on medium or long passes, so I didn't really expect anything to work.
My talk of replacing Hundley with Lil Joe Callahan has been a joke. But maybe it isn't terrible idea.

[Smidgeon]

Not that Green Bay has ever been accused of being a running team under McCarthy, but I was wondering if they would try and establish the run more once Hundley became the starter. Use the run to setup play action and then take your chances down the field on play action. Nope. This isn't second-guessing, just wondering out loud. I wonder if McCarthy ever thought about taking pressure off of Hundley by becoming more of a run first team when A-Rod went down. If you don't really run the ball, even with Hundley in there, aren't you limiting your offense and asking Hundley to replicate A-Rod's efforts to some extent? The approach seems a bit forced or hard-headed.

I bet it was one of the first things that crossed his mind. The last time Rodgers went down, they rode Eddie Lacy to the last game of the season. This year, they have another hot hand. Except he couldn't do anything against a stacked box in this game.

[pbmax]

Michael Cohen‏ @Michael_Cohen13 12m12 minutes ago
#Packers CB Damarious Randall on the defense: “We just shitted the bed. Point blank. Period.”

GONNA GUESS JSO WILL MODIFY THAT QUOTE BEFORE PUBLICATION, EVEN ON THE WEB

Jason Wilde‏Verified account @jasonjwilde 3m3 minutes ago
More McCarthy on Hundley: "I believe in Brett, and that’s not just a press-conference statement."

Jersey Al - GBP‏ @JerseyAlGBP 10m10 minutes ago
MM: "I know what we have to do to play better"

Jason Wilde @jasonjwilde 2m2 minutes ago
McCarthy on Hundley, continued: "He’s got what it takes. He has it in his body, he has it in his mind and he definitely has the heart."

Jason Wilde‏Verified account @jasonjwilde 5m5 minutes ago
#Packers coach Mike McCarthy on Brett Hundley: "I have great faith in Brett Hundley. Brett Hundley is not our issue right now."

Jersey Al - GBP‏ @JerseyAlGBP 13m13 minutes ago
MM: "We've got work to do"

Jason Wilde‏ @jasonjwilde 7m7 minutes ago
#Packers coach Mike McCarthy says Dr. Pat McKenzie and the medical staff "seem very concerned" about Bryan Bulaga's knee injury.

Michael Klinck‏ @MichaelKlinck 21m21 minutes ago
"We're 4-4, and thats not good enough for #Packers football."
McCarthy during his presser....count on it, @JerseyAlGBP #SameOldCliches

Jason Wilde‏Verified account @jasonjwilde 6m6 minutes ago
I tried asking about that. It did not yield a clear answer. Asked him specifically if it was a game-plan thing or Hundley's decisions.

WILDE WAS ASKED ABOUT WHY HUNDLEY AND PASS GAME WAS SO SHORT IN FIRST HALF IF, AS COACH SAID, HE HAD GREAT FAITH IN HUNDLEY

[beveaux1]

The articles have started. https://sports.yahoo.com/packers-unw...042255149.html

[mraynrand]

The articles have started. https://sports.yahoo.com/packers-unw...042255149.html

The Packers threw the ball 18 times in the first half, and 13 were 5 or fewer yards downfield according to Jason Wilde of ESPN Wisconsin. Eight of those passes were behind the line of scrimmage. When ESPN showed Hundley’s chart after his first eight passes, only one pass had gone more than a yard beyond the line. That one “long” throw was less than 10 yards downfield. The Packers and Hundley had no desire to pass the ball downfield, and good luck winning that way. The only time the Packers got anything going downfield was in the no-huddle offense as they were desperately trying to catch up. Maybe Green Bay needs to go with that full time.


It was over before it even began

[Pugger]

The articles have started. https://sports.yahoo.com/packers-unw...042255149.html

Unfortunately the author of this article is correct. We are unwatchable without #12 but I'm hoping this mess will force changes this offseason.

[call_me_ishmael]

Is it just me or are teams with back-up quarterbacks still able to score a little bit and pass the ball down the field at all? I am not exaggerating or being disenguous when I say that I think Nelson is just really slow and a possession receiver, Adams doesn't have any speed or separation, and Randall is just too small and more quick than fast. The same problem we had in 2015 seems to still exist.

I'm not sure if it's a speed thing, or just a play calling thing, or how people are playing us. Ultimately our passing game is lackluster and it doesn't seem like our receivers ever break free and get some space. I can't remember the last time we caught a crossing route in stride.

[pbmax]

Is it just me or are teams with back-up quarterbacks still able to score a little bit and pass the ball down the field at all? I am not exaggerating or being disenguous when I say that I think Nelson is just really slow and a possession receiver, Adams doesn't have any speed or separation, and Randall is just too small and more quick than fast. The same problem we had in 2015 seems to still exist.

I'm not sure if it's a speed thing, or just a play calling thing, or how people are playing us. Ultimately our passing game is lackluster and it doesn't seem like our receivers ever break free and get some space. I can't remember the last time we caught a crossing route in stride.

A lot of teams have limited backups and end up with very short passing games. Its one of the reasons X and O Twitter is screaming about the stupidity of not signing Kaepernick.

However, even if the backup is capable, unless he has started before, the offense will need to change, even if the QB "knows" the offense. These guys aren't clones and run highly tailored schemes. So signing CK or running with an untested backup means there will be a few weeks of bad offense while they figure it out.

Unless you are the Patriots and have it all schemed out already.

[mraynrand]

It was a pussified effort. By the game planning and the execution. Who really stepped up and played with aggressive passion? Nelson looked like a fool on two plays where he could have draw interference penalties, because he was a pussy. Daniels looked like a fool because he got aggressive for no reason when they actually forced a three and out. He's a head-butting pussy too. But the biggest pussy was Stubby, with a total fail of a concept from the start. Imagine what the players were thinking: We're gonna run a bunch of plays, but never really get the ball in the hands of our three WRs down the field. Just tight-assed fail coaching. At least go for the gusto. Maybe you get sacked. Maybe you throw a few INTs. But at least the team will know you're trying. Oh and Clay Matthews looked like the biggest pussy of all. Because he's supposed to be a team leader, and he was totally ineffective. And if you're gonna go max blitz, teach your corners to plaster and hold - hell, maybe they get away with a few - Slay sure does. But they won't touch receivers because they've been taught to cover like pussies.

[Gotarace]

It was a pussified effort. By the game planning and the execution. Who really stepped up and played with aggressive passion? Nelson looked like a fool on two plays where he could have draw interference penalties, because he was a pussy. Daniels looked like a fool because he got aggressive for no reason when they actually forced a three and out. He's a head-butting pussy too. But the biggest pussy was Stubby, with a total fail of a concept from the start. Imagine what the players were thinking: We're gonna run a bunch of plays, but never really get the ball in the hands of our three WRs down the field. Just tight-assed fail coaching. At least go for the gusto. Maybe you get sacked. Maybe you throw a few INTs. But at least the team will know you're trying. Oh and Clay Matthews looked like the biggest pussy of all. Because he's supposed to be a team leader, and he was totally ineffective. And if you're gonna go max blitz, teach your corners to plaster and hold - hell, maybe they get away with a few - Slay sure does. But they won't touch receivers because they've been taught to cover like pussies.

Everybody likes Pussy but that is more pussy than most guys can handle.

[Pugger]

It was a pussified effort. By the game planning and the execution. Who really stepped up and played with aggressive passion? Nelson looked like a fool on two plays where he could have draw interference penalties, because he was a pussy. Daniels looked like a fool because he got aggressive for no reason when they actually forced a three and out. He's a head-butting pussy too. But the biggest pussy was Stubby, with a total fail of a concept from the start. Imagine what the players were thinking: We're gonna run a bunch of plays, but never really get the ball in the hands of our three WRs down the field. Just tight-assed fail coaching. At least go for the gusto. Maybe you get sacked. Maybe you throw a few INTs. But at least the team will know you're trying. Oh and Clay Matthews looked like the biggest pussy of all. Because he's supposed to be a team leader, and he was totally ineffective. And if you're gonna go max blitz, teach your corners to plaster and hold - hell, maybe they get away with a few - Slay sure does. But they won't touch receivers because they've been taught to cover like pussies.

No DB can stick with a receiver when the QB has all day to sit in the pocket.

Our WRs have had issues getting separation for years but #12 is one of the few QBs alive who can throw guys open like he does. Is it the players or how they are coached the reason our guys are never open?