Official Fire Dom Capers Thread

[mraynrand]

Those are the answers you need.

- said pbmax, with pain in his voice.

[pbmax]

Jones has 663 snaps under his belt this season, so inexperience isn’t much of an excuse. He wound up chasing an underneath route that one of his teammates had covered in simple man-to-man coverage.

“That kind of exemplifies the consistency which we haven’t been able to play,” Capers said. “We haven’t played as consistent as we’d like to play.”

Is it Jones is just a rookie playing two positions and mastering neither (strong safety and Nitro).

[pbmax]

“This” turned out to be Newton throwing to halfback Christian McCaffrey running uncovered over the middle for an easy touchdown while the Packers bungled a coverage they had worked on during the week.

I have Tweeted at him, but I cannot find the reference to any coverage of what the coverage that they worked on during the week was supposed to look like versus McCaffrey.

Anyone else see it?

As ishmael says elsewhere, Spoon has climbed aboard the Capers gotta go bandwagon: http://www.packersnews.com/story/spo...ers/977755001/

[denverYooper]

A lot has been made of these M3 comments this week:

We have to be honest about the patterns of negativity and positivity. What comes from that, how do you learn from that, how do you improve? To win championships, you have to go through adverse moments. We’ve had plenty this year. Not hitting our goal, not playing to the standard of the Green Bay Packers is definitely an adverse situation we need to learn from.

Some have taken it to mean Capers needs to go. Usually when I hear about "patterns of negativity" in an organizational unit, it has to do with infighting or other internal dissension and would imply to me that coaches and/or players are grumbling or arguing. That could mean Capers goes, but it could also mean restructuring at other levels of the coaching staff.

[pbmax]

A lot has been made of these M3 comments this week:



Some have taken it to mean Capers needs to go. Usually when I hear about "patterns of negativity" in an organizational unit, it has to do with infighting or other internal dissension and would imply to me that coaches and/or players are grumbling or arguing. That could mean Capers goes, but it could also mean restructuring at other levels of the coaching staff.

Yeah, I agree its not a lock that this is Capers. Could easily be the assistant coaches are coaching their individual islands with little coordination (Silverstein's piece last night was all about this). But this is just coded enough that it could mean literally anything.

[denverYooper]

Yeah, I agree its not a lock that this is Capers. Could easily be the assistant coaches are coaching their individual islands with little coordination (Silverstein's piece last night was all about this). But this is just coded enough that it could mean literally anything.

There were two other tidbits of information out there this last week that were potentially interesting side channel information.

1 was a comment that Micah Hyde sent a thank you note to Perry after his pro bowl selection. Can't find the source atm.

The other was a remark from Casey Hayward on twitter:

Casey Hayward
‏Verified account @show_case29
Dec 19

Super happy for my brother @micah_hyde I'm proud of you bro. I guess we will be teammates once again lol. I'm glad you get to show your true skills with the Bills. love you bro.

I'm not sure that is so much a slight at the Packers coaching staff as that Hyde was the 3rd safety behind Burnett and HHCD.

[pbmax]

If I had to peg assistant coaches not getting along from game day evidence, it would be Perry and Whitt. But who can distinguish between mistakes and failure to grasp how the units work together?

Moss could be in there too.

[Bretsky]

it would be horrible if we kept Capers an let go of other GOATS

[denverYooper]

I have a new theory, freshly retrieved from my posterior: what if Winston Moss is the problem? I don't mean that he is raising hell, I mean that maybe other coaches are resentful of his position

He's been the assistant HC for a number of years now but he seems to have the lowest developmental success rate. Martinez now seems to be coming along in the run game but is still a problem in the pass game. They got rid of Greene, who could be given some credit (along with a regimen of PED use) for early CM3 years and gave the OLB group to Moss. I would argue that the LB group has been the weakest link in the chain for a number of years.

Perry helped develop Burnett, HHCD, and perhaps Hyde into Pro Bowl/All Pro players.

Whitt developed Shields, Williams, Hayward House, Randall, and King .

Trgo has BJ Raji, Mike Daniels, Kenny Clark, maybe Dean Lowry (who was a developmental prospect at DE) under his belt.

Last, he was picked by M3 and not by Capers. The other coaches were Capers guys.

What if the negativity is that the other coaches are pissed about Moss's role given his relative underperformance? Maybe what shows up in the film room week after week is that his LBs are not getting pressure and messing up their assignments.

Just a thought...

[HarveyWallbangers]

Trgo has BJ Raji, Mike Daniels, Kenny Clark, maybe Dean Lowry (who was a developmental prospect at DE) under his belt.

Speaking of Trgo, I wonder why he never got another chance as DC. With Carolina from 2003-2008 his defenses finished 10th, 15th, 5th, 8th, 15th, and 12th in points allowed (always in the top half) and in the top 9 in sacks in four of the six years.

[pbmax]

Speaking of Trgo, I wonder why he never got another chance as DC. With Carolina from 2003-2008 his defenses finished 10th, 15th, 5th, 8th, 15th, and 12th in points allowed (always in the top half) and in the top 9 in sacks in four of the six years.

He wanted out of the position. Didn't like the constant pressure. Wanted to go back to position coach.

[pbmax]

^ The coach on the other side of the ball who is friends with the HC is always a weird position to be in. Could be a source of friction whether there is something happening or not.