Official Fire Dom Capers Thread

[esoxx]

I've been off the Capers train since 579!

[MadScientist]

I've been off the Capers train since 579!

579 is about 4 games worth of Hundley.

Oh, anyone else catch this from Matthew Stafford last night? Matthew Stafford, “We had some success because we knew what blitz’s or which blitz’s would be coming, especially on third down. The screen that almost went for the touchdown, we went to the line with 3 plays. If they were doing a middle blitz, which they did, we ran the screen. If they ran a slot blitz, we were running a bubble, if they weren’t running any, we had another play in mind. When they blitz the middle, they’ll drop one of their safeties close to the line, typically Dix because in dime or Nickel Burnett is usually up already anyway, for middle protection. If they brought their slot guy, they would slide Martinez over to cover for his blitz. So when Dix slid down, and both Perry & Matthew slid into an inside gap, we knew exactly what blitz was coming. That happened on almost all our 3rd down plays tonight.”

That is one hell of an indictment of Capers. Maybe if they don't want to fire him now, Don de don don can come up with some sort of health issue that will sideline him for the year and then let him slide into retirement (and take TT with him). I'm not quite ready to give up on MM yet, but I might be there by the end of the season.

[woodbuck27]

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Pay attention to common sense.

[Sparkey]

[Sparkey]

In a Capers defense, not the dish posted above, it all starts with the OLB.

What does Green Bay have there ?

[Pugger]

In a Capers defense, not the dish posted above, it all starts with the OLB.

What does Green Bay have there ?

A banged up - as always - Nick Perry.
An over the hill Clay Matthews. Clay can be effective but it is past time that he should be an every down pass rusher.
An ineffective Fackrell.
A FA in Brooks who could have helped us but has a bad back and has been out for weeks.

[woodbuck27]

A banged up - as always - Nick Perry.
An over the hill Clay Matthews. Clay can be effective but it is past time that he should be an every down pass rusher.
An ineffective Fackrell.
A FA in Brooks who could have helped us but has a bad back and has been out for weeks.

Nope !

This is the REAL and TOTAL Answer FIRE DOM and Mike McCarthy and Certainly FIRE Ted Thompson he has tried and tried and tried for too long now and simply failing Packer Nation.

It's time for a brand new set of Packer Brass.

Take the OLD and Tired and BULLSHIT and Burn it UP:

[Tony Oday]

MM and Capers need to be gone. Along with TT.

[QBME]

MM and Capers need to be gone. Along with TT.

You're suggesting a complete organizational rebuilding from top to bottom? (Might as well throw Mark Murphy in there as well.)

Actually, come to think of it, what responsibility does Murphy bear - hanging his hat on an individual player and not ciphering the potential problems at GM and coaching?

[ZachMN]

My opinion is that TT and the scouting is below average on evaluating. No team is without sin but I see other teams week after week on highlights with more going on Defensively. It may seem counter intuitive but in my eyes I would always draft solid D linemen as they will make every other d position better. And living in Mpls I see the 'queens reload with new talent all the time so how can we not find even one guy who can rush the passer consistently? Our D does the same old bull rush play after play after play and the opposing qb's sit there and pick us apart game after game.. I thought Capers was the architect of the Pittsburgh D with stunts? I have seen that rarely from this team....Capers is doing what M3 wants him to do... I hate to pick on Capers but he is symptomatic of M3 and TT. Have to cut all the cancer out. Start fresh.

[George Cumby]

Choo mutha’ fuckin’ Choo!

[Pugger]

If we indeed clean house I hope we find a OC that runs the same offense Mac has installed all this time. Rodgers is so good he could adjust but could the rest of the offensive players or should we make wholesale changes there too?

[Pugger]

https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/a-look...-has-to-go-255

[beveaux1]

https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/a-look...-has-to-go-255

I've been waffling about whether our DC needs to be replaced. On one hand, the results are in black and white. We see it every week. Either our pass defense gives up big play after big play, or we play 2 deep and the opposing offense nickels and dimes us to death. Our run defense is a sieve when we play decent pass defense, or it holds strong and we can't stop a 3rd and 14 pass.

But, we need to put this into context. Patler provided some excellent analysis when he said:

It's not just Shields.

Losing a guy like Collins so early in his career, when he was Pro-Bowl caliber and still ascending, hurt the defense for not only the years he would have played, but also for the missed opportunities with players at other positions as they tried to find his replacement. Would they have still drafted HHCD with Collins and Burnett on their roster? Who might they have drafted instead? Collins could be playing still today. He just turned 34.

Whether due to injuries or something else, Matthews career as a dominant player lasted just 4, maybe 6 years. Players of the type he was his first 4 years typically dominate for 8-10 years or so and are better than average for a while after that. They often have very long careers, especially when they have the rare combination of size, speed and strength that Matthews has. Only in his 9th year now, it has been a long time since he has worried OCs around the league.

Collins was the best player on defense when he was lost. Matthews was for a short time, then faded away very young. Shields was or could have been the best on defense, then he, too was lost. As a result there has been no one to build around. No one to rely on year after year. The defense has never established a foundation. Their best players never last for an expected career length. That is why the defense is constantly changing. It has had to.

Add in the seasonal injuries that we seem to always be facing, and I think that better explains the average to below average results.

On the other hand, defensive coordinators don't usually hold that job for as long as Capers has. If Stafford actually said that the Lions knew what plays the Packers were running, and some Packers players have said in interviews that it seemed like the Lions knew exactly what plays to dial up, then perhaps too much film is out there on our tendencies. It might be better to see if we can change things up by bringing in someone from outside the organization. It might also be better to see if someone else can coach some of the good players we have into what might be called a "special" player. With 2 or 3 of those, next year might look like 2010.

[Smidgeon]

I've been waffling about whether our DC needs to be replaced. On one hand, the results are in black and white. We see it every week. Either our pass defense gives up big play after big play, or we play 2 deep and the opposing offense nickels and dimes us to death. Our run defense is a sieve when we play decent pass defense, or it holds strong and we can't stop a 3rd and 14 pass.

But, we need to put this into context. Patler provided some excellent analysis when he said:



Add in the seasonal injuries that we seem to always be facing, and I think that better explains the average to below average results.

On the other hand, defensive coordinators don't usually hold that job for as long as Capers has. If Stafford actually said that the Lions knew what plays the Packers were running, and some Packers players have said in interviews that it seemed like the Lions knew exactly what plays to dial up, then perhaps too much film is out there on our tendencies. It might be better to see if we can change things up by bringing in someone from outside the organization. It might also be better to see if someone else can coach some of the good players we have into what might be called a "special" player. With 2 or 3 of those, next year might look like 2010.

When I watched the last game Romo called (don't remember which), he was often calling plays ahead of time. If he knows it, then the defensive stars know it too. It's just a matter of execution or playing against your own tendencies. It makes me think from film study that most players can guess the plays based on personnel and field position (Charles Woodson was exceptional at this), and success is based on "beating your guy".

[pbmax]

When I watched the last game Romo called (don't remember which), he was often calling plays ahead of time. If he knows it, then the defensive stars know it too. It's just a matter of execution or playing against your own tendencies. It makes me think from film study that most players can guess the plays based on personnel and field position (Charles Woodson was exceptional at this), and success is based on "beating your guy".

Smidgeon is again correct and the panicky masses over Stafford's comments are wrong.

1. Pre snap reads almost always reveal whether a team is playing man, or some combo. The Lions took this a step farther by putting someone in motion on almost every pass play. Rodgers does this all the time. Its nothing new.

2. Blitz. Capers likes to pressure on 3rd and long and Stafford said they expected 2 different kinds of pressure most often. Between motion and cadence, Stafford can make the D reveal the blitz as well if he has some play clock.

3. Capers himself said the playbook for the Lions game was thin because of communication issues they have when Burnett is out. They wanted to eliminate the mistakes.

So we are back to the oldest two critiques of this defense. Played with the full playbook, the team cannot function without its vets (and Burnett was lost in the first half). And left to their own devices, the players do not defeat and offenses passing game enough on third down.

[woodbuck27]

https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/a-look...-has-to-go-255

I'm concerned that Aaron Rodgers may not come back as strong as he was and that was Top Shelf STRONG.

It has to be a completely new set of Brass and Aaron Rodgers strong mind to work with.

It must be FIRE TT and MM and 'of course' Dom Capers; an NFL DC who simply cannot get it done with his Schemes. His days and NFL as a DC are likely over.

That TRIO is beyond too tired now. They have to go for 'any REAL chance with Aaron Rodgers'.

For too long too many Packerrats have been in denial and finally the Charade has been exposed. Without Aaron Rodgers we see UGLY.

Without Aaron Rodgers the Green Bay Packers are a bottom of the barrel NFL Team. The Packers weakness was covered up by the extraordinary talent of Aaron Rodgers.

The EXCUSES are now over and quite frankly too humourous to observe.

TT and MM and Dom Capers are clearly all an embarrassment to Packer Nation .

[mission]

Some of you guys are so apologetic it's almost impossible to come here and read some of these posts anymore.

If this is an injury thing or a lack of talent thing, then how can a new DC come in with a team and all of a sudden they're playing much better? Coaches don't matter at all? Just in general, how does Goff go from a bust to leading the best offense in the league? How is Heyward one of the best CBs in the league two consecutive years after leaving GB? How is Hyde leading the league in INTs? Peppers looks like he's 10 years younger all of a sudden? I'm sure just coincidence!

Think Capers is a capable coach? Watch this: https://twitter.com/BenFennell_NFL/s...50831152345089

[Bossman641]

Think Capers is a capable coach? Watch this: https://twitter.com/BenFennell_NFL/s...50831152345089

Why in the world is Josh Jones playing so deep?

[pbmax]

Why in the world is Josh Jones playing so deep?

He is a rookie and spent most of his time learning the Nitro (ILB) position.