Official Fire Dom Capers Thread

[mraynrand]

Some of you guys are so apologetic it's almost impossible to come here and read some of these posts anymore.

If this is an injury thing or a lack of talent thing, then how can a new DC come in with a team and all of a sudden they're playing much better? Coaches don't matter at all? Just in general, how does Goff go from a bust to leading the best offense in the league? How is Heyward one of the best CBs in the league two consecutive years after leaving GB? How is Hyde leading the league in INTs? Peppers looks like he's 10 years younger all of a sudden? I'm sure just coincidence!

Think Capers is a capable coach? Watch this: https://twitter.com/BenFennell_NFL/s...50831152345089

that's a awful play. But look at the line. The pressure is totally non-existant. Matthews gets blocked STRAIGHT UP by a running back who then MOVES him into a double team with an O-lineman. Clay should have been able to run over the running back, but played dancing bear. If Clay runs over the running back - or at the very least gains leverage to one shoulder, he would significantly re-direct Stafford. The coverage is poor, but the pressure is a mess. What the hell happened to Matthews' aggressiveness?

[Gotarace]

that's a awful play. But look at the line. The pressure is totally non-existant. Matthews gets blocked STRAIGHT UP by a running back who then MOVES him into a double team with an O-lineman. Clay should have been able to run over the running back, but played dancing bear. If Clay runs over the running back - or at the very least gains leverage to one shoulder, he would significantly re-direct Stafford. The coverage is poor, but the pressure is a mess. What the hell happened to Matthews' aggressiveness?

This is what happens when you're more worried about the bankroll instead of producing in a football role. I think Clay is more show than go anymore.

[woodbuck27]

This is what happens when you're more worried about the bankroll instead of producing in a football role. I think Clay is more show than go anymore.

Yes.

CM III is clearly another tiring act of 'disappearing way too often'.

[Gotarace]

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[esoxx]

that's a awful play. But look at the line. The pressure is totally non-existant. Matthews gets blocked STRAIGHT UP by a running back who then MOVES him into a double team with an O-lineman. Clay should have been able to run over the running back, but played dancing bear. If Clay runs over the running back - or at the very least gains leverage to one shoulder, he would significantly re-direct Stafford. The coverage is poor, but the pressure is a mess. What the hell happened to Matthews' aggressiveness?

I think it's time to call in to question effort here. Not just Matthews but others as well. Sure, if Clay wanted to he could have put his shoulder down and bulled over the RB causing disruption to the play. But he didn't. Why? I bet if he was in Minn or on Carolina's D he wouldn't be giving up so easy. They get after it. We always seem to assume well they're dealing with an injury or it's the scheme. Effort is one thing that can really make the difference to play quality. Adams not laying out for that long pass is another example. Time to look in the mirror for a lot of people over at 1265.

[pbmax]

that's a awful play. But look at the line. The pressure is totally non-existant. Matthews gets blocked STRAIGHT UP by a running back who then MOVES him into a double team with an O-lineman. Clay should have been able to run over the running back, but played dancing bear. If Clay runs over the running back - or at the very least gains leverage to one shoulder, he would significantly re-direct Stafford. The coverage is poor, but the pressure is a mess. What the hell happened to Matthews' aggressiveness?

I don't know for certain but Matthews might have also had coverage on that back and was not free to pressure and ignore the back.

[pbmax]

According to Gruden it was obvious 2 man that was the problem.

Its not the scheme. All schemes are vulnerable to something. There is either an area or numbers mismatch in anything but the most vanilla scheme. And the most vanilla scheme is vulnerable to offenses forcing it to do something its players can't do.

The problem is construction. Everything Capers does is to prevent big plays and get turnovers. To do that with his schemes he needs pressure. There ain't no pressure. Even when blitzing there is not immediate pressure.

If you are going to play this way (and not having a pass rush is kinda limiting) you need to creep up and play tight coverage, risk a big play, and give your front and blitzes time to GET pressure. They have tried bleeding slowly and they are close to passing out anyway.

[King Friday]

I think Capers, in his day, was a very good coach. At this point, he's past his prime. He doesn't have the same energy now that he had 10 or 20 years ago. I don't blame Capers for holding on...the ego and ethic that these coaches all have to get where they are in their careers is what prevents most of them from walking away when they should.

It should be McCarthy's place to step in and ensure that Capers doesn't merely become a tenured faculty member...but McCarthy has proven time and again that he is loyal to a fault with most of his coaches and players.

[pbmax]

More I think about pass rush the more it’s clear that the failure of personnel is not on D line but OLB.

[Bretsky]

More I think about pass rush the more it’s clear that the failure of personnel is not on D line but OLB.

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS

[Fosco33]

I liked Hayward and Hyde. This year feels like we're missing Burnett with injury given the adjustments required in Doms D.

But I've also been on record that Clay seems overpaid for value.

Is this another Hayward/Hyde/Peppers situation in the making - ie - we drop Clay and he goes onto former greatness on another team?

Time to fire Dom and let the new guy sort it out.

If the Bears beat us up and down the field - TT better make that happen or it's time for a rebuild while we still have Arod near prime.

[Smidgeon]

I liked Hayward and Hyde. This year feels like we're missing Burnett with injury given the adjustments required in Doms D.

But I've also been on record that Clay seems overpaid for value.

Is this another Hayward/Hyde/Peppers situation in the making - ie - we drop Clay and he goes onto former greatness on another team?

Time to fire Dom and let the new guy sort it out.

If the Bears beat us up and down the field - TT better make that happen or it's time for a rebuild while we still have Arod near prime.

I worry the new guy won't be able to sort it out. Not because the talent isn't there, but because there are few D coordinators who are consistently good. Finding the next one is likely impossible.

[pbmax]

Steelers are going on slightly different direction than blitz:

from: http://www.steelersdepot.com/2017/11...-rushes-three/

In the accompanying article, the end zone screen shot is Steelers dropping two ILBs (Shazier and Watt) into coverage for an eight man zone. They had Lions so discombobulated that the Lions blocked 3 pass rushers with 7 guys. That is what I want to see happen in GB. The Pass D is eight versus 3. I like even the Packers' DBs in that scenario. Its red zone, so deep safeties aren't such a problem.

BY ALEX KOZORA NOVEMBER 10, 2017 AT 12:08 PM
It’s arguably the biggest source of frustration for Pittsburgh Steelers’ fans. Anytime Keith Butler sends three, check Twitter out and you’ll see a sea of hate. It’s something he did a ton in the last game against the Detroit Lions, constantly rushing just three against Matthew Stafford, to mixed results. Speaking with reporters yesterday, Butler explained why and when he likes to rush the minimum.

“If our coverage is good enough to make him hold the ball, where he gets to his back step, what we call a three step, five step, seven step drop by the quarterback, when he hits his back foot and lets the ball go, there’s not much you can do,” Butler said via Steelers.com. “So sometimes we rush three in that situation. And tighten the windows down in terms of zone defense to make the quarterback a little more limited. If he’s used to throwing on time or at a certain time, then that will mess him up.”

To sum up, it’s a change up to get the quarterback flustered. And while it’s been frustrating in pockets, like Butler’s insistence of using it on nearly the entire Lions’ final drive, it’s been extremely effective in the red zone. The windows that Butler spoke about are inherently tight without the threat of anything vertical and dropping eight makes it that much tougher.

The results, in the red zone at least, have been excellent.

[red]

this is all gotten bigger then just firing capers

national guys (not on the packers payroll), have started to come out and claim that the loss of rodgers has exposed MM and TT for the frauds they are

lebatard went so far as to say, if he was sitting on the sideline watching just how shitty the team and coaching staff is without him on the field, he would want to be traded in the offseason to an organization that would try and build a team around him, not just coast on his coat tails.

a lot of stuff i read on tuesday from all over the place, seemed a lot like what some of us have been saying on here for years

[woodbuck27]

this is all gotten bigger then just firing capers

national guys (not on the packers payroll), have started to come out and claim that the loss of rodgers has exposed MM and TT for the frauds they are

lebatard went so far as to say, if he was sitting on the sideline watching just how shitty the team and coaching staff is without him on the field, he would want to be traded in the offseason to an organization that would try and build a team around him, not just coast on his coat tails.

a lot of stuff i read on tuesday from all over the place, seemed a lot like what some of us have been saying on here for years

The Green Bay Packer BRASS is clearly a frustrating MESS !

The sad thing and 'a clear possibility':

It will not change. It will possibly throw DOM Capers under a bus but all in all we in Packer Nation are going to see TT and MM go on and on and on.

Eventually if Aaron Rodgers is SMART and still playing at a high level and 2020 rolls around and he hasn't already 'shaken their sillly ass tree'; and he becomes eligible as an UFA he gets out of Green Bay.

[denverYooper]

"Frauds" is an overreaction.

They have been used to playing a certain way because they have the advantage of Rodgers applying a lot of extra pressure to the other team's offense as well as it's defense. Now they have to change. They are not just going to adjust their whole approach to the game in 2 games, bye week or not. Or at least they are not going to percolate that down into their gameplay that quickly. They have re-worked their approach at least some. My best guess is we are looking at a minimum 4 game burn-in.

That said, any approach has to involve the defense at least rattling the QB once in a while. Yeesh.

[woodbuck27]

Other Teams FIRE their DC during the Season:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...oom-for-change

Pagano on Raiders defense: 'Always room for change'

By: Jeremy Bergman NFL.com

Published: Nov. 24, 2017 at 09:46 a.m. Updated: Nov. 24, 2017 at 10:03 a.m.


" ...After spending half of a season as an assistant head coach/defense in Oakland, John Pagano was "promoted" this week to defensive coordinator after the Raiders fired Ken Norton Jr.

A longtime defensive coordinator for the then-San Diego Chargers, Pagano will be charged with accomplishing the improbable, if not the impossible, in the final six weeks of the season in East Bay: Giving Oakland's porous defense a face lift, a makeover and a 180 in time for the playoffs.

In his first meeting with the Bay Area media Thursday, the coach of nearly three decades was confident that the Raiders could pull it off.

"There's always room for change and there's always room for doing things better," Pagano said Thursday. "Without telling you our game plan, it's about how we go out and execute the call, bottom line." ... "

Comment woodbuck27:

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[denverYooper]

this is all gotten bigger then just firing capers

national guys (not on the packers payroll), have started to come out and claim that the loss of rodgers has exposed MM and TT for the frauds they are

lebatard went so far as to say, if he was sitting on the sideline watching just how shitty the team and coaching staff is without him on the field, he would want to be traded in the offseason to an organization that would try and build a team around him, not just coast on his coat tails.

a lot of stuff i read on tuesday from all over the place, seemed a lot like what some of us have been saying on here for years

So now everyone is overreacting. That's what sports media does.

[Pugger]

I don't recall McCarthy ever firing an assistant during the season so I don't think anyone will get the axe until January.

[woodbuck27]

I don't recall McCarthy ever firing an assistant during the season so I don't think anyone will get the axe until January.

Mike McCarthy needs a lot of time to think:

A.........lot..........of..........TIME !