Still on the bandwagon. Injuries in the secondary are a legitimate issue right now, but this defense can't stop the run. I'm afraid that will kill them next week at Carolina. The calls for Dom's head will intensify.
Still on the bandwagon. Injuries in the secondary are a legitimate issue right now, but this defense can't stop the run. I'm afraid that will kill them next week at Carolina. The calls for Dom's head will intensify.
After again being able to breathe not down two scores to the Browns, here is the problem Capers is trying to solve.
So many banged up corners and he either has rookies or safeties playing coverage as CBs. He wants to play zone to help them and bring a number of different people up to the line to pressure the QB.
Packers zones, despite progress in getting players who can play it, is a very mixed bag. But without it, Capers doesn't want to put single safety or Cover 0 (zero deep safeties) out there and blitz. So no pressure defeats even the best zone coverages they come up with.
So his solution after two big plays against zone yesterday was some form of Cover 2 man under.
The problem with both is that he has Dix at least and sometimes the other safety (Jones now) playing really deep. 20 yards off the ball in passing downs with substantial yards to go. The reason they do this is called Whitehead. As in, with Whitehead out there against a TE (think Tampa game) giving up a touchdown down the seam with no one available to help.
To recap:
1. No corners
2. Poor zone and man to man matchups
3. Deep safeties
4. Pass rush, or lack thereof. (thanks to Pugger)
You solve one of those, then the defense can be reconstituted. The best bet is to forget Whitehead and Burnett as corners, throw the rookies out there and let CBs cover and safeties do some damage elsewhere.
Last edited by pbmax; 12-11-2017 at 11:23 AM.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
Oh, so that explains the last 5 years........
Last five years Football Outsiders ranks (Defense/Offense)
2016 20/4
2015 9/11
2014 16/1 (I would contest this one as by the end of the year, see Seattle playoff game, the Defense was outplaying the Offense)
2013 31/9
2012 8/3
2 years the Defense was Top 10. Another year it was more than playing well enough to win in playoffs.
The consistent issue has been pass rush, made much worse by the loss of Shields.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
I see two consistent issues: pass rush and receivers roaming free in the secondary. Even when the D has had a pass rush (think 2009) we saw communication problems in the secondary. Not every week like now but against teams that knew how to create confusion through motion and stacking (Pittsburgh, Arizona in WC game).
i would say, CONSITANT pass rush
we're very hit or miss, either we get to the QB, or we get no pressure at all and the guy gets all day to throw
its not like the reggie white sean jones days when the pressure was gonna be there on almost every single play
gotta make QB's jumpy and think they're gonna get drilled on every single pass, not just 5% of the time or whatever it is
thats what i see with the pass rush
"Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck
The season hinges on Rodger's shoulder healing and coaching Pipkins up to pro bowl corner status. Seems possible.
"Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck
What I glean from the reading I've done is that Capers/MM like the talent the rookie CB's have well enough, but don't think they have a big-picture understanding of what the defensive plan is designed to do, and so can't be trusted not to bust a coverage and give up the easy TD.
I suppose there's no room for error, so I understand playing it safe with the safeties playing corner, but I'd be tempted to go with the talent over the understanding, and hope the understanding catches up - fast.
"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
KYPack
I'm done with Capers, if we win the SB this year on defense alone I would still want him fired.
Swede: My expertise in this area is extensive. The essential difference between a "battleship" and an "aircraft carrier" is that an aircraft carrier requires five direct hits to sink, but it takes only four direct hits to sink a battleship.
I am curious if this kind of Jekyll and Micah Hyde performance is indicative of teams without a superstar/blue-chipper/field-tilter in the old Cliff Christl vein.
Matthews is only occasionally his old self, Collins is gone as is Shields. The two guys most likely to be the hinge that the defense moves around, King and Jones, are injured and being forced to play back respectively. And both are rookies.
Perhaps the problem with drafting late and not hitting it out of the park in later rounds is that you are missing one big time All Pro around which you arrange your other, less imposing parts.
Or am I being Captain Obvious too?
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
If I was a Steelers fan, I would want to know how you allow the Packers to score 28 with Shazier?
Wilde is taking the Browns game as evidence of the Packers true talent level without Rodgers (possibly not much better than the Browns) and regards the Steelers game as the exception.
Which is dumb. They both count. The head coach versus the Steelers had a better gameplan (and I did not mean simple aggressiveness, but an expectation for players to make a play) than he did for the Browns. When he opened it up in Cleveland, suddenly players were making plays, even Hundley.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
So when is what was accomplished in the past not enough to keep stubby off the hot seat?
Realistically, it’s not anytime soon. He has coached for 11 years prior to this year. He’s made 9 playoff appearances using 2 different HOF type QBs, including 8 appearances in a row. His teams have had one season with a losing record (Rodgers first starting season). His teams have reached the NFC championship game 3 times and have reached the Super Bowl another time.
He was quoted once saying that he is a very successful NFL coach and that is really an understatement.
In GBP history, he is probably the third most successful coach of all time behind Lombardi and Lambeau.
My guess is that he will coach in Green Bay until he has at least 3 losing seasons in a row, or until TT is retired and Murphy has given the new GM carte blanche to hire his own head coach.
Capers, on the other hand, may not be as protected as McCarthy.
This is a pretty good article summing up this defense's problems.
https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/b...om-capers-2017