579 bitches
579 bitches
did we go to the same high school?Originally Posted by esoxx
"Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck
Yes, I believe so. I recall you arriving on the short bus.
It was a rhetorical question.
"Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck
Hey all. I've been on hiatus. I don't have the NFL Ticket anymore and when Rogers went down, Packer games stopped being televised in my area - for the obvious reason - Packers sucked without him. I kept tabs on the team, but I also needed to take a break from football and focus on some other things. I couldn't watch again today, but was excited that Rogers was back. Although, I guess it seems for naught.
Anyway, I believe I posed this last year:
If Capers is let go, who do we want? Who's an up and comer Def. Coach? Personally, I'd like to stay with the 3-4 scheme, but at this point, I just want new blood. Thoughts?
It's the pass rush. A fearsome pass rush will make your defense look worlds better.
You can't expect DBs to cover for 4 seconds in the modern NFL unless they are Pro bowlers...GB's aren't.
They don't have anyone in the secondary like Nick Collins who took iffy angles but had enough speed to erase mistakes, or the versatility of Woodson. Maybe Josh Jones can grow into Collins, but guys like Woodson -- DPOY caliber guys -- are rare.
You can't tell CM3 or Perry to take a pay cut - they are the only pass rushers they have. It's up to TT to spend a few high round picks on pass rush.
Given drafting is basically a coin flip, you have to take a lot of guesses to get it right. Trouble is, when you use high value picks you can't afford to guess wrong. Fackrell will stick because of where he was drafted and because he's decent on special teams. This is basically a redshirt year for Biegel and Montravious Adams. I'm pretty sure TT & Co. know what they need to do to the roster...but until then all we can do is watch.
The argument that most teams draft better on defense is iffy IMO. Drafting at the top of a round vs. the bottom can make a huge difference on roster talent, some years there are only 10-15 bonafide first round talents in the draft...and GM's make lots of mistakes. Look at the drafts the rest of the NFCN have had over the last 4 years...Green Bay has drafted at least as good as the rest, and I'd argue only Minnesota comes close to having drafted as well, mostly because they hit on several defensive players.
Whether it's the talent or the coaching, this sort of stuff has gone on long enough that it might just be time for a new voice.
https://twitter.com/BenFennell_NFL/s...54643242864641
Question: What is the best you could expect of this defense as is with the most competent coaching in the League?
1. Best two corners are out
2. Rookie playing safety
3. No pass rush
4. Safeties playing corners getting beat deep, necessitating deep help.
ishmael's link to Fennell's stats is disturbing in the extreme. Worse that some of those same stats in 2013. However, the Packers D are still 21st in points allowed.
The confusion in the backfield is maddening. But I think its different this year (Randall making mistakes in slot and now Jones making mistakes in slot) than in the past when even vets got it wrong.
But if you sub out the entire staff and don't let M3 dictate the philosophy, what is the best you think this defense is capable of now?
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
I blame Capers for the lions share of the issue, but not all of it. I appreciate the TT way, but when you operate as he does using mostly the draft and UFA's, and not a lot of FA's, save for this last off-season, you really need to have better results from more of the picks. If you know you have not hit on a lot of your recent draft picks on defense, you need to know when it's time to fish or cut bait and think even harder about bringing a more immediate impact player.
That said, Capers has had his chance and should be dismissed. He did better when he had Kevin Greene, Greg Lloyd, Levon Kirkland, Carnell Lake...you get the point, back in the 1990's. Nobody is going to mistake our defensive personnel with the 1994 Steeler's defense, but he did well with those really good players. Just sayin' Again, I am not defending him remaining, I'm just saying it's personnel as much as it is anything, and the person in charge of that mostly is TT.
Perhaps TT will leave, even though Mark Murphy has said publicly that he can be there as long as he wants, and by leave I mean, we'll make it look like it was your idea and you'll take a scouting job or fully retire. We need a GM that is more aggressive in free agency without guaranteeing stupid money, to offset the possibility of not hitting on personnel, which TT clearly has not done consistently on D. Sure, I get that there have been a ton of injuries, and youth, but then the scheme needs to be more simplified.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." -Daniel Patrick Moynihan
My gut feeling is the defense is just too complicated. It's crazy that at the end of the year, rookies still cannot contribute. These people have been playing football their entire lives. How hard could it really be?
I recall that Gus Bradley and his successor preached and valued simplicity of scheme over everything else so that players can just play fast. That does seem to be the way to go forward here.
If there is anything that annoys me about the Packers D, and there isn't much, it's that we hear year after year how the young folks cannot thrive it in and need to be coached up quite a bit. That is a smell that it's too complicated to me.
Absolutely. Watch the 'queens. There isn't anything complex about what they do, it starts with line play.
The Vikings play some of the best disguised coverages in the League. Rodgers has spoken about this at length as a feature of Zimmer as their coach (Bengals DC and Vikes HC).
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
Capers does the same. He disguises the defense to actually make the offense think we're going to cover and tackle them.
No one knows what they'll do. Not even the DBs.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
There's at least some truth here. Line play and pressure from the D-line (4-3) and OLBs (3-4) matters. Vikings, for whatever reason, picked better defensive line players than the Packers. Griffen in the 4th, Joseph, 2nd, Hunter 3rd. At LB Kendricks in a 2, Barr a 1 (No. 9 overall),
But in the secondary Rhodes, Waynes, and Harrison are all #1 picks and none of them are hurt I believe. Vikings have invested heavily in the draft on the LBs and the back end. The Line, not as much. But they've done well there.
The defense looks better in MN because of better and higher picks, coaches/coaching focus, and health.
"Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck
Simplicity is a luxury you can only afford if you have superior talent. We don't.
What could be more GOOD and NORMAL and AMERICAN than Packer Football?
But you can't quantify that well enough for the philistines here. It's not enough to watch them play and say they pass the eye test or not around here otherwise your opinion is invalidated. Bring some spreadsheets!!
Well if our slow and un-athletic players cannot play fast in Capers system due to thinking, wouldn't be it be beneficial to maximize their talents by keeping this simple and enabling them to play at top speed? At least then they have a punchers chance at beating the opposition to the spot, lol!
No no no. We have to send a gang of people to rush the QB like Khalid Mack or a few others do individually, but when we send that gang, we leave other things open - but we have to do it or else almost any QB can pick us apart. Having a shut down Corner would make the guessing game we need to play less dangerous ...... but we don't have one. That's why losing Shields hurt so much.
It seems like a lot of games, the Packers D plays it simple on the first series - and what happens? We have given up more points I think than any other team on the first series. Then the scheming kicks in, and things get better. But later in the game, sharp Offensive Coordinators adapt too. It ain't that Capers is outsmarted - IMO, just that he has limited talent to work with.
What could be more GOOD and NORMAL and AMERICAN than Packer Football?
Please get rid of capers. I can't take another year.
Go PACK
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