Me either. I no longer see hope for improvement as long as he's the DC. I have a sense there will be a change this year. Reading between the lines, I sense less support from MM for the defense in his press conferences.Originally Posted by Bossman641
He said too many mistakes. So he is seeing what everyone else is seeing. I think there is a fundamental mismatch between draft and develop and Capers system. But its still not been resolved 8 years in.
These guys, despite public proclamations of fan experts, are not idiots. They have tried to make it palatable to the young ones. But it ain't working.
Someone mentioned Whitt as someone who has looked both like a genius for developing players and terrible at getting them to coordinate back there. But Whitt doesn't get to choose the scheme or the adjustments. I suspect he can still develop a corner (King was playing fine for a rookie with a bum shoulder) but cannot remove the fundamental complexity of Capers multiple coverages behind his multiple attempts to generate a pass rush.
The weird thing is that a new guy would inherit a D that will have a lot of young vets starting next year. They have drafted a lot of defenders high recently.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
I say AGAIN, it would be idiotic to get rid of Capers. You guys who hate him so much, who or more importantly, what kind of D Coordinator do you guys want? And how do you think any kind of more conventional defense would do with the fairly mediocre personnel the Packers have and the unlikelihood that Ted will improve it significantly?
What could be more GOOD and NORMAL and AMERICAN than Packer Football?
I'm not saying it's 100% capers, but tt will be around until he chooses to retire. We don't have any studs on d but I'm of the opinion that the d is playing below the talent of the individuals. Combine that with the continued miscommunication and inability to defend the middle of the field, and its time for a change.
Last edited by Bossman641; 12-18-2017 at 11:09 PM.
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TT isn't giving Capers the talent he needs to do it his way. Capers isn't smart enough or good enough to work with what he gets. TT is going nowhere, it makes sense that Capers should be the one to go. But it will not happen. Stubby would have to fire him. There is no one in the NFL that likes throwing shit at the wall until something eventually sticks like stubby does.
Hmm...
"Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck
Go back to the Detroit game and read what Stafford said after the game. He knew from the looks he got exactly what blitzes the Packers were doing. Capers system has been beaten. So what kind of D-coord do I want? I want one who's system hasn't been beaten, where opposing QB's don't know just what we are doing.
Fire Murphy, Gute, MLF, Barry, Senavich, etc!
I don't think that is that unusual for a veteran QB to know a 30 year coordinators basic looks (he looks at their film twice a year minimum). If he didn't Stafford should be fired. Rodgers knows what he is getting all the time and it doesn't just happen to ex-Steeler coordinators.
The problem is that the pressure only works if its a surprise. That is a personnel issue.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
Did you hear what Rodgers said about Carolina? He was hoping they'd blitz. Maybe it's because he and other QBs know how to beat all sorts of blitzes and are surprised by very little they see. Seems like more a veteran quality than due to a 'stale' defense. I find it hard to believe that there are defensive innovations that are so stunningly amazing that veteran QBs and offenses can't reasonably dissect them. Even if there are (say maybe Zimmer's) you need capable pros to run them. Seems like that's where the rubber meets the road for the Packers defense - personnel.
"Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck
When Rodgers is Rodgers he can kill a team that blitzes him. But on Sunday his throws were off and short - mainly because of rust on not playing in 2 months.
Remember when everybody thought the DB coach was a stud? I am sort of wondering if he just got really lucky with Shields and UDFA Terrell Williams being a stud to pair up with Woodson. He hasn't really seemed to develop anyone else.
Same goes with ILB and OLB. We've played musical chairs there a lot over the years and nobody has really done much of anything.
The Packers haven't had a stud defender in many years, since the days of Chuck, Young Clay and Nick Collins. It really makes you wonder. Is Ted just unquestionably the worst defensive drafter in the NFL, or are the players not being put in positions to succeed? We've seen two DBs leave and have levels of success greatly beyond what they accomplished here. I can't really think of any other players who have left and excelled though.
Capers would not have had some of the backend problems this year with a pass rush. Dix plays closer to the LOS and has to devote less time to helping CBs.
Capers had to abandon his pressure (which causes the backend complexity at times) when his injured CBs/replacements were getting beat deep. I don't know how you square this circle this year.
Capers might get fired for the mistakes and the complexity that made them more numerous. But don't forget that rookies make mistakes in coverages (Jones allowing that TD down the seam route was a colossal mistake in simple recognition about how many receivers were on which side of the field).
But Ted owes Capers more pass rush. Fackrell and Elliot failed to develop. You don't end up in the bottom third of the League with a veteran coach and staff unless there are personnel problems.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
There is a lot of truth in this. The loss of Shields last year changed the draft strategy for this year. If Shields had been on this team, there would have been no need to draft a CB early- an OLB/edge rusher would have been the obvious pick.
Last year there was an abundance of well-thought-of CBs in the draft class with the assumption that this year's draft would be much more marginal for CBs. Thompson chose to pick a CB rather than an edge rusher. His next choice was a hybrid safety who could play ILB patterned after the Falcons and Deion Jones. Both picks were need picks because our ILBs lacked speed to cover RBs and TEs. During the off-season, he signed House for depth at CB and during preseason, after watching the play of Fackrell and Elliott, signed Brooks to provide edge rush when Matthews and Perry were gassed or hurt.
As we all know, every CB that was supposed to play in base, nickel, or dime defense, with the exception of Randall was injured. Most required placement on IR. At OLB, Matthews only missed one game, but Brooks and Perry have been injured more than they've been able to play. The result has been a lackluster at best pass rush. Surprisingly, when they've been healthy, the pass rush has been good. It just hasn't been good in more than 20% of the games.
I suppose a case could be made that Thompson didn't supply the components for this defense to succeed. I just have a hard time seeing what else he could have done. It's easy in retrospect to say that he could have drafted Watt and waited until this year to get a CB, but CBs have a longer development time than edge rushers and this year's class in CBs may not be as strong. Also, in hindsight it's easy to say he should have ponied up for a free agent edge rusher, but which were available and how well did they do this year?
Also, how much cap will he need to sign Adams and Rodgers and will he have to use this year's reserve to do it? The question to me is with Burnett, Dix, Randall, Martinez, Matthews, Lowry, Clark, and Daniels, how well should a defense perform? Should it rank 30th or below in 3rd down efficiency, red zone efficiency, time of possession, and number of drives with over 10 plays?
If the answer is that it should do better than that, then that's a coaching problem.
Biegel and Fackrell were supposed to replace a declining Peppers. Perry was supposed to play. Lowry and Clark were supposed to have breakout years.
Nada.
"Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck
From a pass rushing standpoint yes. But Clark and Lowry were good at their main job, holding the point of attack. Like I said last week I think, you stick one disruptive guy on that pass rush and the other three, whoever they are, are good enough to be close enough to seal the deal.
But that guy has to be as nuts as Matthews was in his first three years.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
Clark? He was one of the few bright spots on this defense this year.
Just that thought has me LMAO
They could not replace Datone Jones...who you left off
Thanksted
LIFE IS ABOUT CHAMPIONSHIPS; I JUST REALIZED THIS. The MILWAUKEE BUCKS have won the same number of championships over the past 50 years as the Green Bay Packers. Ten years from now, who will have more championships, and who will be the fart in the wind ?
Well, they are OLBs and Jones really is a DE, despite the position move. Jones' position move was a last desperate act to try and save Jones' career. Obviously it didn't work. I Think Jones was reasonably replace by Lowry. That's a slight upgrade, right now.
"Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck
He played well when healthy and meh when injured. May the injury gives him a pass but this was the year to discover whether he would be an exceptional difference maker or just a ‘good lineman’. Maybe next year but it’s looking like the latter.
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