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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxie the Taxi View Post
    Is House better or worse than Gunter in this regard?
    If he keeps getting beat deep, it'll be close. I sense that House is better at defending crossing routes though. Like King is at defending slants. Able to stay closer and get hands on ball.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    House doesn't need to be Shields, just good enough to force the QB to wait for his WR to get open. Given the pass rush a chance.

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    'pass rush' made me lol
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    'pass rush' made me lol
    Yeah, that is still going to be a problem going forward. There were some coverage sacks against the Bears and I bet most of that was Trubisky being hesitant.

    Won't be the same against better veteran QBs.
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    Studs: TT and MM

    Monty and Jones go down and TT/MM have Jamaal Williams not only ready and waiting, but in kick-ass form. Moreover, they've got Devante Mays waiting in the wings. TT's draft of three RB's looks pretty damn brilliant now and Stubby coached them up.

    Stubby also had his men ready to kick butt in Chicago. And his focus on Williams rushing rather than asking Hundley to clone Arod was studly. I've said it before: Stubby is the finest coach in the NFL when his back is to the wall. If Stubby keeps motivating and adapting, I'm beginning to think we're capable of running the table....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxie the Taxi View Post
    Studs: TT and MM

    Monty and Jones go down and TT/MM have Jamaal Williams not only ready and waiting, but in kick-ass form. Moreover, they've got Devante Mays waiting in the wings. TT's draft of three RB's looks pretty damn brilliant now and Stubby coached them up.

    Stubby also had his men ready to kick butt in Chicago. And his focus on Williams rushing rather than asking Hundley to clone Arod was studly. I've said it before: Stubby is the finest coach in the NFL when his back is to the wall. If Stubby keeps motivating and adapting, I'm beginning to think we're capable of running the table....
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    Boy you missed the boat. TT should never have drafted Eddie Lacy as he can find so many gems late in the draft at RB. I mean we could have picked Tyrann Mathieu or a handful of players taken later who have done better in the NFL. I do it all the time on my Madden video game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThunderDan View Post
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    Boy you missed the boat. TT should never have drafted Eddie Lacy as he can find so many gems late in the draft at RB. I mean we could have picked Tyrann Mathieu or a handful of players taken later who have done better in the NFL. I do it all the time on my Madden video game.

    Sarcasm.
    Could be worse. You could have drafted Trent Richardson with the #3 overall pick - if you were Mike Holmgren and the Hapless Browns. Trent now carries the rock for the Saskatchewan Roughriders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxie the Taxi View Post
    Studs: TT and MM

    Monty and Jones go down and TT/MM have Jamaal Williams not only ready and waiting, but in kick-ass form. Moreover, they've got Devante Mays waiting in the wings. TT's draft of three RB's looks pretty damn brilliant now and Stubby coached them up.

    Stubby also had his men ready to kick butt in Chicago. And his focus on Williams rushing rather than asking Hundley to clone Arod was studly. I've said it before: Stubby is the finest coach in the NFL when his back is to the wall. If Stubby keeps motivating and adapting, I'm beginning to think we're capable of running the table....
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    Yes, I remember many were wondering what in the hell Ted was doing taking 3 RBs in the last draft. Looking back now thank god he did!
    IMO you can't have too much depth at RB. Especially after the RB debacle of last year. But I also would have kept 3 QB's and about 30 O-lineman. I would need a 147 man roster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rutnstrut View Post
    IMO you can't have too much depth at RB. Especially after the RB debacle of last year. But I also would have kept 3 QB's and about 30 O-lineman. I would need a 147 man roster.
    No kidding. Too bad NFL rosters aren't as large as those in the college ranks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pugger View Post
    Yes, I remember many were wondering what in the hell Ted was doing taking 3 RBs in the last draft. Looking back now thank god he did!
    2 out of 3 being (seemingly) decent ain't bad. One is starter material, the other showed up against a tough running D. It almost makes me more interested to see the third because the first two (appear) were hits. More than likely, Mays is the dud, but I still want to see what he has too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smidgeon View Post
    2 out of 3 being (seemingly) decent ain't bad. One is starter material, the other showed up against a tough running D. It almost makes me more interested to see the third because the first two (appear) were hits. More than likely, Mays is the dud, but I still want to see what he has too.
    Mays is the one with a freak show size/speed ratio. He also had some troubles in college. Wonder if he's a $100 body with a $.10 head?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    Yeah, that is still going to be a problem going forward. There were some coverage sacks against the Bears and I bet most of that was Trubisky being hesitant.

    Won't be the same against better veteran QBs.
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    The huge plus side of Rodgers getting hurt is that stubby almost has to run the ball more. With Rodgers in there he would get big play pass happy and ignore the run, even when it was more effective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rutnstrut View Post
    The huge plus side of Rodgers getting hurt is that stubby almost has to run the ball more. With Rodgers in there he would get big play pass happy and ignore the run, even when it was more effective.
    Very astute observation. The back half of this season -if used to really develop an outstanding ground game - could pay huge dividends in the future.
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    I wonder. Once Rodgers is back next year, no matter how good the ground game, MM will go back to - as perhaps he should - centering his game plans on #12.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz View Post
    I wonder. Once Rodgers is back next year, no matter how good the ground game, MM will go back to - as perhaps he should - centering his game plans on #12.
    How did he call plays in Lacy's second season? He still leaned on Lacy with a second 1100 yard season. I think if any of the RBs show they can run on a defense consistently, M3 will utilize that. The problem with Monty is he's too hot and cold. He'll have the occasional big game, but he'll also get too bottled up. His real ability to split out wide as a receiver and run NFL quality routes makes him something special, but only if M3 wants to exploit it (meaning choosing to run the offense that way and take the ball out of the hands of three better receivers).

    Speaking of receivers, where are the young guys stepping up? In a couple of years, Cobb and Nelson will be gone. The Packers have Adams and....?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smidgeon View Post
    Speaking of receivers, where are the young guys stepping up? In a couple of years, Cobb and Nelson will be gone. The Packers have Adams and....?
    McCaffrey. All pro I tells ya! Seriously though, the Packers will be panicking over WRs (including TEs) this offseason. Their bottom feeder, bottom of the draft WRs did not pan out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smidgeon View Post
    How did he call plays in Lacy's second season? He still leaned on Lacy with a second 1100 yard season. I think if any of the RBs show they can run on a defense consistently, M3 will utilize that. The problem with Monty is he's too hot and cold. He'll have the occasional big game, but he'll also get too bottled up. His real ability to split out wide as a receiver and run NFL quality routes makes him something special, but only if M3 wants to exploit it (meaning choosing to run the offense that way and take the ball out of the hands of three better receivers).

    Speaking of receivers, where are the young guys stepping up? In a couple of years, Cobb and Nelson will be gone. The Packers have Adams and....?
    I think the bag of running backs they have now, with a line that is not as good at run blocking as when Lang and Sitton were in their prime in GB, would work fine. Lotta diverse talents there. Short yardage, some speed and pass catching. Can do a lot with that.

    They definitely need a WR to step up. Even Allison becoming a factor might be nice but I think extra TE play has reduced his snaps. But Janis/Davis haven't made the jump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz View Post
    I wonder. Once Rodgers is back next year, no matter how good the ground game, MM will go back to - as perhaps he should - centering his game plans on #12.
    but only up to a point. It's a passing league, but the teams that are tearing it up this year have a really good balance, if not a focus on the running game. LeVeon Bell, Gurley, Hunt are monsters, and NO has a really nice mix of backs. Dallas goes without saying. NE and Seattle are probably more in tune with the pass first, pass often approach of Stubbers, but it's probs cuz their run offense is so putrid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mraynrand View Post
    but only up to a point. It's a passing league, but the teams that are tearing it up this year have a really good balance, if not a focus on the running game. LeVeon Bell, Gurley, Hunt are monsters, and NO has a really nice mix of backs. Dallas goes without saying. NE and Seattle are probably more in tune with the pass first, pass often approach of Stubbers, but it's probs cuz their run offense is so putrid.
    Group 1: Pittsburgh, Rams, KC, NO

    Group 2: Seattle, NE

    I'd take Group 2 to emulate.

    But Seahawks aren't an easy comparison point. At first under Wilson they were run first and run most. After Beast Mode left and the O line deteriorated, they have been slowly moving to pass dominance. Its mainly the D that keeps that team together, though that is showing a decline now too.

    NO is the most interesting, but I have my doubts when they had a game in Green Bay in doubt until the 4th quarter when the Packers had no pass defense and no passing game. I am not buying them.

    This was the WRONG year for Rodgers to take a vacation. Wide open.
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