I am not certain its been established that he did. It was a single sourced report that I saw.Originally Posted by esoxx
I am not certain its been established that he did. It was a single sourced report that I saw.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
While I do agree with you 100%, I"m elated we didn't hire a cappie guy
Wolf was kinda TT's top assistant personnel wise so good odds he bolts soon. But if Gooter was better I can live with that.
I put a poll up a few days ago; hardly anybody thought MM (except Woody I think) was bad. At worst he's still a very solid play caller. If Murphy believes MM is a great coach I don't think giving him input is bad.
Many in ESPN 1070 feels there is a rift between MM and Rodgers. But Rodgers favorite guy ever is reportedly Philbin and we just brought back in. Lots of stuff going on there.
LIFE IS ABOUT CHAMPIONSHIPS; I JUST REALIZED THIS. The MILWAUKEE BUCKS have won the same number of championships over the past 50 years as the Green Bay Packers. Ten years from now, who will have more championships, and who will be the fart in the wind ?
I'll stand 110% behind my analysis and Mike McCarthy.
He's the Achilles Heal and the Now Green Bay Packers.
The sooner The Green Bay Packers can his ass the BEST REAL CHANCE we have, and winning a Super Bowl.
Till he's gone I'll very likely Pray to the Packer God's that M3 is Dismissed.
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OK, seriously, last post just blasting everyone. Occasionally red has an observation*, and its so obvious you doubt the simple explanation for it because you have learned that things tend to be more complex than they appear from a superficial glance from a distance. Also because red is usually angry about it when he posts
But sometimes, like Lacy regaining the weight he lost right before camp, it becomes inescapable.
I believe Ted had suffered some decline after that surgery a few years back. Reading the tea leaves, it looks like he had either a longer than anticipated recovery or perhaps a set back or two, because he was out of contact for an extended period of time, long enough that people started to ask questions of the Packers. This message board is populated by folks who know from medical procedures, and occasionally surgery or other medical event takes a LOT out of you. I don't think this is conspiracy mongering, its just one possible explanation.
So the Packers may have had no choice but to let Ted go from a health and age perspective. They are not going to discuss this publicly. If true, it makes sense for Ted (if he has declined) and the team (Ted is a scout and if he's not scouting, his strengths are no longer brought to bear as much as GM).
But however the team adjusted during the intervening time from surgery to now, they seemed to regain their footing as people think Ted's last two drafts have been among his best. You could concoct a theory that Wolf the Younger (promoted), Gutekunst (promoted) and Ball (involved in some capacity by Ted) somehow helped Ted right the ship. The only specific thing I have seen is that Ball, literally everywhere, is being reported as working closely with Ted all the time and is viewed now as more of a protege than the other 5 guys who are or will be GMs from his staff (Schneider, Dorsey, Mckenzie, Wolf, Gute). The moaning about Ball following Ted's path on FA makes me think there must be something that connects the two besides job titles.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
Here is the formal paperwork on the end of an era:
Gutekunst becomes 10th person to hold title of general manager for Packers
The Green Bay Packers have named Brian Gutekunst general manager and Russ Ball executive vice president/director of football operations. The promotions were announced Monday by President and Chief Executive Officer Mark Murphy.
“We could not be more excited to elevate Brian to the position of general manager,” said Murphy. “He has earned this opportunity throughout his 19 years with the Packers, proving to not only be a skilled talent evaluator, but a trusted and collaborative leader. His time under the direction of former Packers general managers Ron Wolf and Ted Thompson will undoubtedly serve him well as we work toward our next Super Bowl championship. I am confident that he is the man that will help get us there.”
“First, I’d like to thank my mentor, Ted Thompson, for his friendship, and I am happy that we will continue to have the chance to work together,” Gutekunst said. “I want to thank Ron Wolf for giving me my first opportunity with the Packers, and of course Mark Murphy for the faith and trust he has placed in me moving forward. And finally, I must thank my wife, Jen, and our children for their constant sacrifice and unwavering support despite all of the time I have spent on the road and away from home. I look forward to getting to work with the rest of our talented personnel department and using every avenue available to build the Packers into a championship team again.”
Gutekunst (GOO-tuh-kunst), the 10th person to hold the title of general manager for the Packers, will have complete control over all roster decisions, including the NFL draft and free agency, while leading Green Bay’s scouting department. Ball will continue to manage the Packers’ salary cap and serve as the chief contract negotiator while continuing to oversee several areas in football operations.
“Since joining the Packers in 2008, Russ has proven to be invaluable,” said Murphy. “His salary-cap management and negotiating abilities are well known, but he has also provided tremendous leadership throughout football operations and served as a valuable liaison between the football and business sides of the organization. His diverse skills will remain important to our success moving forward, and I look forward to working with him even more closely in his new role.”
Additionally, Murphy announced a change in the Packers’ organizational structure as Gutekunst, Ball and Head Coach Mike McCarthy will all report directly to Murphy.
“The process of identifying our next general manager gave us the opportunity to analyze our entire football operation,” said Murphy. “While we have enjoyed a lot of success, we need to improve. With that in mind, the head coach, general manager and executive vice president/director of football operations will report to me moving forward. While I understand this is a departure from the Packers’ current structure, it will serve to increase the breadth and frequency of communication and collaboration. Ultimately, it will make the Packers better.”
Gutekunst, who is entering his 20th season with the organization, has spent the past two seasons as the director of player personnel after serving as the director of college scouting for four years. He previously worked 11 seasons as a college scout in the Southeast region. Prior to that, Gutekunst served as a scout for the East Coast region from 1999-2000. Before joining the Packers full-time, he was a scouting assistant for the Kansas City Chiefs in 1998, a scouting intern for Green Bay in the summer of 1997 and assisted the New Orleans Saints’ coaching staff in training camp in 1995.
Gutekunst played football for two years at the University of Wisconsin-La Crosse and served as an assistant coach during his final two years at the school (1995-96) after a shoulder injury cut short his playing career. In 1995, he coached the linebackers as the Eagles finished 14-0 and won the Division III national championship.
Ball enters his 30th season in the NFL and 11th season in Green Bay. Since joining the Packers in 2008, he has worked in the role of the vice president of football administration/player finance. Prior to coming to Green Bay, Ball spent six seasons (2002-07) with the New Orleans Saints, serving as senior football administrator for four seasons and as vice president of football administration for the final two years. In 2001, he was the director of football administration for the Washington Redskins. From 1999-2000, Ball served as senior football administrator for the Minnesota Vikings. He began working in the NFL with the Kansas City Chiefs, where he spent 10 seasons (1989-98), the final two in football operations as administrative assistant to then-head coach Marty Schottenheimer. He began his career with the Chiefs as an assistant strength and conditioning coach.
A 1981 graduate of Central Missouri State, Ball was a four-year letterman at center for the Mules. He served as head strength and conditioning coach at the University of Missouri from 1982-89 and earned his master’s degree from Missouri in 1990.
Read more: http://www.packers.com/news-and-even...#ixzz53cXrDKnM
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
Murphy ignited a lot of twitter talk about how everyone reports to him now. not so much about Gute but MM. someone asked what MM's talks would be about and he answered "game plans, asst coaches," etc. the thought of MM discussing game plans with him threw up red flags with all the covering media. Nagler thought it harkens back to Starrs regime and having to report such things to the board. i don't MM would ever agree to that. i blew off the remark to Murphy not being an accomplished speaker and just panicking lol.
what does the rat nest think?
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I think it shows he has no idea what the head coach might talk to his superior about.
And to me the means he has not thought about it, but agreed to it to assuage McCathy's concerns about not having input on personnel. Its a half assed plan he is not ready to implement. My baseline assumption is that the communication issues Murphy heard were:
1. Doesn't respond to coaches looking for veteran help
2. Doesn't listen to pro personnel about FA suggestions
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
interesting article/opinion. (above)
are red flags being readied to be pulled from their sheaths?
Only relatively few reactive red flags revealing redoubts over rapprochement reboot.
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