Shazier

[Fosco33]

Not as eloquent as Tae but still intersting view from Finley.

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/je...ry-retirement/

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They said he had “some” feeling I believe

[Fosco33]

https://www.inverse.com/article/3909...on-back-injury

[gbgary]

read they surgically stabilized his spine. a neurologist (not associated with the case) said that's a bad sign in his opinion. that it's probably more than a contusion.

[texaspackerbacker]

From a team's perspective, losing somebody permanently - like Collins for the Packers - messes things up because it is can't really be planned for like age and contract expiration.

From a player's perspective (and I expect what I say to generate a bunch of hate, but I'll say it anyway), they are paid absolutely huge amounts, even lesser players, to go out there and play a game that many of us would love to play for nothing or a tiny fraction as much. Injuries, even career ending, even injuries that mess up their future lives, are the risk they take. They know that risk going in, and if they don't want the risk, they can just quit and get a real job for a tiny tiny fraction of what they make in the NFL.

[pbmax]

From a team's perspective, losing somebody permanently - like Collins for the Packers - messes things up because it is can't really be planned for like age and contract expiration.

From a player's perspective (and I expect what I say to generate a bunch of hate, but I'll say it anyway), they are paid absolutely huge amounts, even lesser players, to go out there and play a game that many of us would love to play for nothing or a tiny fraction as much. Injuries, even career ending, even injuries that mess up their future lives, are the risk they take. They know that risk going in, and if they don't want the risk, they can just quit and get a real job for a tiny tiny fraction of what they make in the NFL.

Yeah, those practice squad guys are making an absolute killing week to week.

And none of you would play professional football for free. None of you are that stupid.

[bobblehead]

Yeah, those practice squad guys are making an absolute killing week to week.

And none of you would play professional football for free. None of you are that stupid.

Pretty sure you overestimate a good many posters around here.

[woodbuck27]

Originally Posted by pbmax
" Yeah, those practice squad guys are making an absolute killing week to week.

And none of you would play professional football for free. None of you are that stupid. "


bobblehead Responds to pbmax:

Pretty sure you overestimate a good many posters around here.

I ....woodbuck27 respond to bobblehead:

Is that your arrogance I detect again? Here's a challenge.

Bring 'your Big Brain' to the Pro Pickem next Season; and we'll see how really bright, you really are.

Don't include any Non - USA Citizens on your List; of not being as bright as you imagine you might be.

The Packerrats not USA Citizens are intelligent Posters at Packerrats.

I'll name just a few of non-USA Posters here I truly respect as bright (intelligent).:

UpNorth and Guinness and mmmdk and ** I'm 'no slouch'.

** I've proof of that fact, in case you doubt my intelligence and overall knowledge of the NFL.

[mraynrand]

Is that your arrogance I detect?

F U.

^^^

"Woodcock's a great guy, Mraynrand, leave him alone!" - Harlan

[bobblehead]

Originally Posted by pbmax
" Yeah, those practice squad guys are making an absolute killing week to week.

And none of you would play professional football for free. None of you are that stupid. "


bobblehead Responds to pbmax:



I ....woodbuck27 respond to bobblehead:

Is that your arrogance I detect again? Here's a challenge.

Bring 'your Big Brain' to the Pro Pickem next Season; and we'll see how really bright, you really are.

Don't include any Non - USA Citizens on your List; of not being as bright as you imagine you might be.

The Packerrats not USA Citizens are intelligent Posters at Packerrats.

I'll name just a few of non-USA Posters here I truly respect as bright (intelligent).:

UpNorth and Guinness and mmmdk and ** I'm 'no slouch'.

** I've proof of that fact, in case you doubt my intelligence and overall knowledge of the NFL.

Lighten up Francis, it was a joke.

[woodbuck27]

Yeah, those practice squad guys are making an absolute killing week to week.

And none of you would play professional football for free. None of you are that stupid.

No kidding.

I just want to be a Manager.

[denverYooper]

No kidding.

I just want to be a Manager.

LOL. On point.

[pbmax]

Michele Steele @ESPNMichele
Just got off phone w neurologist Dr Anthony Alessi, who consults w NFLPA, asked him what he makes of Shazier's spinal stabilization surgery. "It's not good...We're not going to see him this season. He may not play football again."

I don't think this tells us anything more, other than confirming that stabilization surgery is not a good sign for his medium to long term playing prospects.

[MadScientist]

Michele Steele @ESPNMichele
Just got off phone w neurologist Dr Anthony Alessi, who consults w NFLPA, asked him what he makes of Shazier's spinal stabilization surgery. "It's not good...We're not going to see him this season. He may not play football again."

I don't think this tells us anything more, other than confirming that stabilization surgery is not a good sign for his medium to long term playing prospects.

The follow-up tweet gives a clearer indication of the potential seriousness of the injury:

Alessi says surgery is needed when the “bones around his spinal cord are dislocated. This is a more severe injury (than a contusion.)”

“This is a much more severe situation on our hands than we thought.”
— Michele Steele (@ESPNMichele) December 7, 2017

Hopefully this was all done in time to save his ability to walk.

Also given this situation, I wonder if Shazier's flipping himself over after the injury did him more damage. There have been other situations where the medical people strap a board to a guy and then flip him over so the possibly damaged spine doesn't get injured further.

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Also given this situation, I wonder if Shazier's flipping himself over after the injury did him more damage. There have been other situations where the medical people strap a board to a guy and then flip him over so the possibly damaged spine doesn't get injured further.

i thought the same thing when i saw the video, he very well could have done major damage rolling over

although, if it was you or me, we probably would have done the same thing. i know with me, the first thing i do automatically when i'm hurt is to stand up and walk around, for some reason i think if i can walk it off then i'm fine. that didn't work too well when i tried to "walk it off", when my foot broke away from the rest of my body a few years back. but it did give me an image i'll never forget

i doubt he even realized there was a problem with his legs until he did roll over

its just scary, and something that could happen to any player on almost any play

[hoosier]

Michele Steele @ESPNMichele
Just got off phone w neurologist Dr Anthony Alessi, who consults w NFLPA, asked him what he makes of Shazier's spinal stabilization surgery. "It's not good...We're not going to see him this season. He may not play football again."

I don't think this tells us anything more, other than confirming that stabilization surgery is not a good sign for his medium to long term playing prospects.

The difference between good and not good in this case won't be measured by how soon (or whether) Shazier returns to the field.

[Fosco33]

The reason uw brought Tauscher back for that 5/6th yr was because terry Stephan got hurt.

http://journaltimes.com/fate-deals-t...a43956274.html

[mraynrand]

Yeah, those practice squad guys are making an absolute killing week to week.

And none of you would play professional football for free. None of you are that stupid.

I checked his post. He never said free. I bet if someone dragged 200000/year through a trailer park you’d get a lot of people interested in playing.

[pbmax]

I checked his post. He never said free. I bet if someone dragged 200000/year through a trailer park you’d get a lot of people interested in playing.

From a player's perspective (and I expect what I say to generate a bunch of hate, but I'll say it anyway), they are paid absolutely huge amounts, even lesser players, to go out there and play a game that many of us would love to play for nothing or a tiny fraction as much.

I think nothing and free are pretty close synonyms.

$200,000 per year sounds wonderful, but if you are injured and released needing further medical care, you have to pay for the insurance coverage after you are released plus whatever is out of pocket. And since that $200,000 is not guaranteed, you might be paying for that care with $7,200 in your pocket.

[mraynrand]

I checked his post. He never said free. I bet if someone dragged 200000/year through a trailer park you’d get a lot of people interested in playing.

Edit: oops he said nothing. Ya with people making a lot around you there’s no way you play for nothing. It makes you look like a rube.