WHAT SHOULD WE DO WITH MIKE MCCARTHY ???

[Pugger]

The Headline is right here:

MM has to have his tiring act FIRED in Green Bay.

Yeah, going to the playoffs 8 years in a row is tiring.

[Pugger]

AND if a new GM is hired, should he move fast or take a while ?

If the new GM is in house - someone they've been grooming to take over - Mike isn't going anywhere. Firing Capers might have saved his job too.

[Pugger]

This might be your answer:

The Raiders can have him.

[mission]

Yeah, going to the playoffs 8 years in a row is tiring.

Are you saying they wouldn't have made the playoffs without MM?

[Pugger]

Are you saying they wouldn't have made the playoffs without MM?

I don't know for sure but his offenses were always pretty good - when the QB plays decently - compared to our defenses since 2011.

[pbmax]

No one ever remembers the last five, strike that, seven years of Gruden's coaching face in Tampa.

You could look it up: https://www.pro-football-reference.c...es/GrudJo0.htm

No one accepts mediocrity like Jon Gruden.

[Bossman641]

No one ever remembers the last five, strike that, seven years of Gruden's coaching face in Tampa.

You could look it up: https://www.pro-football-reference.c...es/GrudJo0.htm

No one accepts mediocrity like Jon Gruden.

pbmax, I would like a word with you...

[pbmax]

pbmax, I would like a word with you...

Fair point. He is the King of 500.

[Rutnstrut]

No one ever remembers the last five, strike that, seven years of Gruden's coaching face in Tampa.

You could look it up: https://www.pro-football-reference.c...es/GrudJo0.htm

No one accepts mediocrity like Jon Gruden.

Yup, I don't get the love for Gruden as a coach. He took a team that was almost there, got them to the big show and then sucked afterwords.

[pbmax]

Yup, I don't get the love for Gruden as a coach. He took a team that was almost there, got them to the big show and then sucked afterwords.

Another guy who rode good coaching success to a dual GM/final authority role with no evidence he is qualified to do both. His talent at being a face (in wrestling parlance, a good guy whom all believe) eclipses his talent at coaching.

In some ways he is less accomplished than Schottenheimer with a better public rep. Its baffling.

[Pugger]

Yup, I don't get the love for Gruden as a coach. He took a team that was almost there, got them to the big show and then sucked afterwords.

Yes, the Raiders can have him.

[call_me_ishmael]

I wonder what Aaron thinks of all of this change.

[mmmdk]

Stubby still sucks I voted to let the new Packers GM decide. Stubby is an ok coach, he started hot and looked good in the first half of his tenure in GB but he's burned out as a HC and he has had the good fortune of Favre plus Rodgers. McCarthy could be a great offensive coordinator when he leaves Green Bay - he could revive himself by taking lesser responsibilities somewhere else. Stubby might survive a new GM in GB but I'd say it's 80-90% sure he'll be fired after a mere year. Much like Mike II. But I also would give him 10-20% chance of succeeding with a lot of help....A LOT! A new red hot drafting GM having a Saints like draft in april, a bunch of key free agents that are home runs and lastly a new defensive staff that retools the defense...then Stubby could stay longer. That's a lot of 'ifs'.

[gbgary]

turns out he was given a one extension in the middle of this season.

[mmmdk]

turns out he was given a one extension in the middle of this season.

Stubby?

[pbmax]

turns out he was given a one extension in the middle of this season.

So two years left on deal. 2018 and 19.

[call_me_ishmael]

Makes sense. It's the same thing they did for Sherman. You don't want a checked out, lame duck coach. I still think all of these changes will really hurt with attracting a great DC for next season.

[pbmax]

This deal, according to Demovsky, was done in the middle of the season. So Thompson and McCarthy's prospects may have diverged at that point.

McGinn made it sound like Thompson and McCarthy being linked was a possible liability. Doesn't seem like anyone was out for McCarthy at this point.

[pbmax]

Makes sense. It's the same thing they did for Sherman. You don't want a checked out, lame duck coach. I still think all of these changes will really hurt with attracting a great DC for next season.

Except this was done before Thompson was kicked upstairs.

[call_me_ishmael]

It is sounding more and more like he wasn't kicked up stairs. I could very well be wrong, though.