Turd Ferguson

[mraynrand]

Do they have any more shit to lose?

I'm not a CK fan, but there's no way I believe that he isn't possibly better than a significant number of QBs currently in the NFL.

He went from starter to pariah with no chance of redemption in 2.5 seconds. Obviously he didn't help himself, and the knee was only part of it, but I don't believe that a league that kept Tebow around for a year as a punt protector couldn't find a way he could help a team.

Kap can still reasonably play. But the dude may have tanked the whole league. Even stadiums with good teams in the playoff hunt were sometimes only 80% full. That plus the concussions, the soccer mom society, the tanking cable packages, and the league is finished in a few decades. Kap represents that tanking to ownership. Who the hell wants that around?

[3irty1]

Kap can still reasonably play. But the dude may have tanked the whole league. Even stadiums with good teams in the playoff hunt were sometimes only 80% full. That plus the concussions, the soccer mom society, the tanking cable packages, and the league is finished in a few decades. Kap represents that tanking to ownership. Who the hell wants that around?

This season in particular has the character of a season of Survivor. Not Survivor when it was new, but a few seasons in when the strategy developed for the JAGs to gang up on anyone who was likeable, useful, or interesting and eliminate them first. I never saw a season of survivor beyond the first so if that's not accurate I apologize. I'm stealing this analogy from a bartender. Anyways this season everyone good or interesting got hurt leaving the healthy JV teams and their small-ball to inherit the league.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I just 'membered that Tex thought Hundley was the next Dak Prescott.

Well, Prescott did have a down year.

[George Cumby]

Rand, wtf is up with your signature line?

Please provide context or I may “SWAT” you.

[mraynrand]

Rand, wtf is up with your signature line?

Please provide context or I may “SWAT” you.

A google search would have given you this as the top hit:

The Star Trek Transcripts - The Menagerie, Part 2
www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/16b.htm
PIKE: All I want to do is get my hands on you. Can you read these thoughts, images of hate, killing? KEEPER: The other new arrival has considered you unreachable but now is realising this has changed. The factors in her favour are youth and strength, plus unusually strong female drives. PIKE: You'll find my thoughts more interesting, thoughts so primitive you can't understand.

[mraynrand]

Please provide context or I may “SWAT” you.

BTW, this sounded like a threat of some sort. Are you a moderator? I just want to know who I should insult to get banned.

[George Cumby]

BTW, this sounded like a threat of some sort. Are you a moderator? I just want to know who I should insult to get banned.

Thinking I’m a moderator is an insult to the mods. Or maybe it’s an insult to me. *shrug*

[mraynrand]

Thinking I’m a moderator is an insult to the mods. Or maybe it’s an insult to me. *shrug*

[George Cumby]

I thought you were quoting one of the degenerates on this board.

[texaspackerbacker]

I say again, it's idiocy to trash Hundley. He played as well as could be expected under difficult circumstances - namely, mostly lame personnel around him.

As for the disgusting comparison to Kaepernick, yeah, Kaepernick may well not play again in the NFL, but that has very little to do with his football ability. Hundley has no such stains on his character that I've heard of.

Prediction: the Packers will trade him for somewhere between a 2nd and 5th round draft pick - or if he is cheap enough to extend, keep him as a back up QB.

And I ask AGAIN, how does Ferguson's name and pic get dragged into this stupid thread?

[mraynrand]

I say again, it's idiocy to trash Hundley. He played as well as could be expected under difficult circumstances - namely, mostly lame personnel around him.

Sorry, this is a bad take. I agree it's wrong to insult Hundley, and that he played as well as could be expected. But that just means that his best is pretty awful. And the coaching staff and GM should have known the kind of shit show he was going to drop on them if something happened to Rodgers. Plenty of other teams stock reasonably capable backups. My favorite was Shuan Hill for Detroit and Cade McNown. There are guys like that who can at least throw a decent ball who the Packers could have signed. They should have known how shitty Hundley is and/or that the scheme wasn't going to work with him running it. That's all on them. A better backup might have won a game or two more and kept them in the running.

As far as surrounding personnel: I guess - except that I saw Hundley miss open guys - both miss them as in not finding them and miss them as in throwing the ball thirty yards over their heads.

It very well could be that Murphy looked at the decisions leading to Hundley as backup and decided that that kind of GM and Coaching work was unacceptable. It's not an outrageous position to take.

[Bretsky]

Dude failed to make some throws a NFL ready QB should make and he didn't go through progressions well at all

It sucks that he had to play; odds are we were going to get a decent draft pick for him; now we're not getting much if anything

[Deputy Nutz]

It's a combination of things on the offense. Hundley isn't very good, now he isn't terrible. He is not a starting QB in the NFL. Can he hold down the fort for a couple of games? Sure. I think Packer fans had this expectation that he was the next Aaron Rodgers waiting behind Favre, and those were ridiculous expectations that were given legs by McCarthy himself. I never thought he looked great in the preseason. He looked like a young backup. He was highly regarded talent going into his last year of college football. Some scouts hand him ranked as first to second round prospect. The fact that he fell to the 5th round speaks volumes about his overall talent as a QB. When it comes to Hundley the talent just isn't their to be a winning qb in the NFL.

The second contributing factor is that the Packers offensive line had it's struggles along the offensive line with injury. Injuries forced very raw players to play at key positions, and they got hurt. Hundley struggled to rely on protection from this group on a consistent basis which effected his ability to stay in the pocket, recognize his reads, and set his feet to make accurate throws.

The other issue was that the Packers receiving corps and tight ends are not as good as some thought. Nelson is not an elite receiver that makes his QB better, its the opposite. He is a good receiver that is made to look outstanding by Aaron Rodgers. Cobb was a star that burned out a bit early and makes too much damn money. The Packers have one elite receiver and that is Adams. He demonstrated that he is elite regardless who is tossing the football.

It is a bad combination of talent and events that led to Hundley's poor production. It is a shock to the system to Packer fan based on what type of production they have been used to.

[mraynrand]

It's a combination of things on the offense. Hundley isn't very good, now he isn't terrible. He is not a starting QB in the NFL. Can he hold down the fort for a couple of games? Sure. I think Packer fans had this expectation that he was the next Aaron Rodgers waiting behind Favre, and those were ridiculous expectations that were given legs by McCarthy himself. I never thought he looked great in the preseason. He looked like a young backup. He was highly regarded talent going into his last year of college football. Some scouts hand him ranked as first to second round prospect. The fact that he fell to the 5th round speaks volumes about his overall talent as a QB. When it comes to Hundley the talent just isn't their to be a winning qb in the NFL.

The second contributing factor is that the Packers offensive line had it's struggles along the offensive line with injury. Injuries forced very raw players to play at key positions, and they got hurt. Hundley struggled to rely on protection from this group on a consistent basis which effected his ability to stay in the pocket, recognize his reads, and set his feet to make accurate throws.

The other issue was that the Packers receiving corps and tight ends are not as good as some thought. Nelson is not an elite receiver that makes his QB better, its the opposite. He is a good receiver that is made to look outstanding by Aaron Rodgers. Cobb was a star that burned out a bit early and makes too much damn money. The Packers have one elite receiver and that is Adams. He demonstrated that he is elite regardless who is tossing the football.

It is a bad combination of talent and events that led to Hundley's poor production. It is a shock to the system to Packer fan based on what type of production they have been used to.

Not to mention the collapse of the TE position.

But most scouts had Hundley around 4-5. And I'd bet for every scout that had him 1-2, there were 3 who had him 7-FA.

The problem with Hundley wasn't that he didn't measure up to Rodgers, it was that he couldn't run a pro offense. He couldn't run the Packer offense, and the coaches could barely put together a game plan to win using his limited talents. The extent of the drop off from Rodgers is on the coaching staff and GM.

[Zool]

It's a combination of things on the offense. Hundley isn't very good, now he isn't terrible. He is not a starting QB in the NFL. Can he hold down the fort for a couple of games? Sure. I think Packer fans had this expectation that he was the next Aaron Rodgers waiting behind Favre, and those were ridiculous expectations that were given legs by McCarthy himself. I never thought he looked great in the preseason. He looked like a young backup. He was highly regarded talent going into his last year of college football. Some scouts hand him ranked as first to second round prospect. The fact that he fell to the 5th round speaks volumes about his overall talent as a QB. When it comes to Hundley the talent just isn't their to be a winning qb in the NFL.

The second contributing factor is that the Packers offensive line had it's struggles along the offensive line with injury. Injuries forced very raw players to play at key positions, and they got hurt. Hundley struggled to rely on protection from this group on a consistent basis which effected his ability to stay in the pocket, recognize his reads, and set his feet to make accurate throws.

The other issue was that the Packers receiving corps and tight ends are not as good as some thought. Nelson is not an elite receiver that makes his QB better, its the opposite. He is a good receiver that is made to look outstanding by Aaron Rodgers. Cobb was a star that burned out a bit early and makes too much damn money. The Packers have one elite receiver and that is Adams. He demonstrated that he is elite regardless who is tossing the football.

It is a bad combination of talent and events that led to Hundley's poor production. It is a shock to the system to Packer fan based on what type of production they have been used to.

I didn’t expect him to be a world beater but he was close to a dumpster fire. He’s terribly inaccurate and he freaks out when his first 2 reads aren’t open. He can’t make a throw farther than 10 yards down field.