Thoughts On HC Mike McCarthy's Purge Of Packer Coaches. What makes any sense?

[Harlan Huckleby]

I know nothing about these coaches. But firing so many smells of desperation. These guys are long-time McCarthyites. How the fuck did they all become incompetent underneath the chief's nose? Isn't the guy at top the problem?

[mraynrand]

I know nothing about these coaches. But firing so many smells of desperation. These guys are long-time McCarthyites. How the fuck did they all become incompetent underneath the chief's nose? Isn't the guy at top the problem?

Until proven otherwise, yes. You can't have a purge of this extent without conceding some level of incompetence in coaching evaluation. Still, some got other jobs, so it isn't all personnel evaluation incompetence by Stubby. Some incompetence can be attributed to poor people management by Stubby too.

Of course, this is all at Packer-level competence, the baseline of which is set higher than many other organizations.

[Harlan Huckleby]

BTW, I checked in here at the Mother Ship because I saw on twitter that Packer coaches are moving en masse to the Browns. Is that true or speculation or do you care?

[mraynrand]

BTW, I checked in here at the Mother Ship because I saw on twitter that Packer coaches are moving en masse to the Browns. Is that true or speculation or do you care?

The Browns saw a well-oiled machine on Dec. 12th and want to emulate it.

[Pugger]

The decline was significant because of the play of the QB. NO offense is gonna be any good if your trigger man stinks. What good would it have done if McCarthy threw his young QB under the bus to the media? When Rodgers went down there weren't a lot of options. Until Brett actually started in a regular season game did we learn he didn't have it. Preseason and practice doesn't really tell ya much. I suppose you can blame Ted for not investing in a veteran backup QB but until AR was lost nobody complained when we spent our cap on other positions. Hindsight is always convenient.

Losing Rodgers for basically the season might turn out to be a blessing in disguise and has forced folks at 1265 to make the changes that were needed. I for one am very excited for 2018.

[Smidgeon]

The decline was significant because of the play of the QB. NO offense is gonna be any good if your trigger man stinks. What good would it have done if McCarthy threw his young QB under the bus to the media? When Rodgers went down there weren't a lot of options. Until Brett actually started in a regular season game did we learn he didn't have it. Preseason and practice doesn't really tell ya much. I suppose you can blame Ted for not investing in a veteran backup QB but until AR was lost nobody complained when we spent our cap on other positions. Hindsight is always convenient.

Losing Rodgers for basically the season might turn out to be a blessing in disguise and has forced folks at 1265 to make the changes that were needed. I for one am very excited for 2018.

But that's what he did last time Rodgers went down. They tried Tolzein (who had come from another team), then Seneca Wallace, and had even dipped their toes in the Vince Young experiment in the offseason. Then Matt Bloody Flynn comes in and wins a couple of games (finally). All of fandom was screaming for a talented college QB to be groomed instead of a late round flyer. So TT drafted a guy pundits were expecting in rounds 2-3.

So which is it? A veteran QB? A mid round QB? Or a high draft pick that won't help the team immediately?

Honestly, I could see taking a 2nd round flyer on a guy. But definitely not the first. Unless Gute establishes he's a guru at drafting 2nd round WRs or 4th round lineman, we wouldn't be giving up the next Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, or Davante Adams.

As an aside, I would keep TT on board just for his ability to pull the trigger on the right WR in round 2. That's an impressive list considering.

[woodbuck27]

But that's what he did last time Rodgers went down. They tried Tolzein (who had come from another team), then Seneca Wallace, and had even dipped their toes in the Vince Young experiment in the offseason. Then Matt Bloody Flynn comes in and wins a couple of games (finally). All of fandom was screaming for a talented college QB to be groomed instead of a late round flyer. So TT drafted a guy pundits were expecting in rounds 2-3.

So which is it? A veteran QB? A mid round QB? Or a high draft pick that won't help the team immediately?

Honestly, I could see taking a 2nd round flyer on a guy. But definitely not the first. Unless Gute establishes he's a guru at drafting 2nd round WRs or 4th round lineman, we wouldn't be giving up the next Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, or Davante Adams.

As an aside, I would keep TT on board just for his ability to pull the trigger on the right WR in round 2. That's an impressive list considering.

A solid suggestion and a key focus for TT because the Packers have a certain need at WR.

[The Shadow]

But that's what he did last time Rodgers went down. They tried Tolzein (who had come from another team), then Seneca Wallace, and had even dipped their toes in the Vince Young experiment in the offseason. Then Matt Bloody Flynn comes in and wins a couple of games (finally). All of fandom was screaming for a talented college QB to be groomed instead of a late round flyer. So TT drafted a guy pundits were expecting in rounds 2-3.

So which is it? A veteran QB? A mid round QB? Or a high draft pick that won't help the team immediately?

Honestly, I could see taking a 2nd round flyer on a guy. But definitely not the first. Unless Gute establishes he's a guru at drafting 2nd round WRs or 4th round lineman, we wouldn't be giving up the next Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, or Davante Adams.

As an aside, I would keep TT on board just for his ability to pull the trigger on the right WR in round 2. That's an impressive list considering.

You get an experienced vet to back up Rodgers. When he gets closer to the end of the road, you go after a top college QB to groom. This "Let's draft a mid round guy & develop him into somebody we can trade later for a high round pick" approach should stop.

[Pugger]

But that's what he did last time Rodgers went down. They tried Tolzein (who had come from another team), then Seneca Wallace, and had even dipped their toes in the Vince Young experiment in the offseason. Then Matt Bloody Flynn comes in and wins a couple of games (finally). All of fandom was screaming for a talented college QB to be groomed instead of a late round flyer. So TT drafted a guy pundits were expecting in rounds 2-3.

So which is it? A veteran QB? A mid round QB? Or a high draft pick that won't help the team immediately?

Honestly, I could see taking a 2nd round flyer on a guy. But definitely not the first. Unless Gute establishes he's a guru at drafting 2nd round WRs or 4th round lineman, we wouldn't be giving up the next Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, or Davante Adams.

As an aside, I would keep TT on board just for his ability to pull the trigger on the right WR in round 2. That's an impressive list considering.

We'll never know if Seneca Wallace could have won a couple of games for us or not in 2013 because he got hurt during his second drive of his first game. Tolzien didn't have a clue what he was doing mainly cuz he was only in town a few days. Was Flynn available at the end of TC that year?

I'd prefer Gutey would draft a mid round QB and spend most of his draft and FA capital on defense and a TE with speed.

[ThunderDan]

It only took 53 posts and 4 days to go from:

This Graph indicates a Green Bay Packers MM/Aaron Rodgers Led Offense, now in a CLEAR Free Fall.

To:

I'll stick with what the Author (s) of that Graph claimed as the main argument and a Packers declining Offense.since it's Hey Days back in the 2011 Season. Take Aaron Rodgers away from the Mike McCarthy HC Offense and it's significant what Aaron Rodgers NOT Mike McCarthy means to the success of the Green Bay Packers.:

Two very different statements. I agree that the Packer O without ARod was horrible. The MM/AR O is not "in a CLEAR Free Fall."

[woodbuck27]

It only took 53 posts and 4 days to go from:


To:


Two very different statements. I agree that the Packer O without ARod was horrible. The MM/AR O is not "in a CLEAR Free Fall."

Want a whip !

[George Cumby]

Want a whip !

That's Woodys selfie from last night, btw.

[woodbuck27]

That's Woodys selfie from last night, btw.

Shhssh, !'m keeping that Secret from Mae.

She thinks it's just my next Halloween Costume.

[George Cumby]

Shhssh, !'m keeping that Secret from Mae.

She thinks it's just my next Halloween Costume.

Lol. Why keep it a secret?

[woodbuck27]

It only took 53 posts and 4 days to go from:


To:


Two very different statements. I agree that the Packer O without ARod was horrible. The MM/AR O is not "in a CLEAR Free Fall."

Wrestle with this one:



The above Graph was produced by the Packer Fans at: *** ... https://coachch.weebly.com/blog/category/all

" ... The aggregate of Murphy/Thompson/McCarthy/Capers have had 4 of their 9 teams realistically in the hunt, and three of those four were ’09 – ’11. In the last four years only one team, the “Seattle-meltdown-team-of-2014”, was statistically a Super Bowl Team. ..." *** <<< Quoted from Source.

[mraynrand]

Two very different statements. I agree that the Packer O without ARod was horrible. The MM/AR O is not "in a CLEAR Free Fall."

IT depends on the QB and the circumstances. Flynn had several productive games in relief in 2013, notably the second half against Dallas and I think the Pittsburgh game IIRC. He also had a monster game against Detroit in 2011 which got him starting money from a genius GM somewhere else.

You have to be a simpleton to put everything on Stubby. Like most very successful coaches he has many strengths, but also some limitations, and he is also limited by the personnel he gets, which is affected by the teams' success. The comprehensive big picture matters.

[Zool]

If Hundley plays at a Flynn level, TT and MM are geniuses and a Hundley should be traded for a 2nd and a 3rd before the draft. Unfortunately, when the lights came on, college Hundley showed back up and now TT and MM are morons.

Is it possible that it’s somewhere in the middle? That maybe they’ve both been employed In the NFL for a couple decades because they are actually pretty good at their jobs? Maybe, just maybe, they overestimated Hundley. Then again, so did most in here. Not by watching practice every day. Or pouring over tape. Or coaching the kid. Nope we read press releases and thought they should have traded him on draft night for a couple picks because he’s going to be good.

If you think you know more than guys who have been in the NFL for a couple decades, should you not also be employed by the NFL? Is it the money that’s holding you back? Are you taking time away from the field to spend it with your family? Maybe you’re just too smart for these bozos?

[Pugger]

If Hundley plays at a Flynn level, TT and MM are geniuses and a Hundley should be traded for a 2nd and a 3rd before the draft. Unfortunately, when the lights came on, college Hundley showed back up and now TT and MM are morons.

Is it possible that it’s somewhere in the middle? That maybe they’ve both been employed In the NFL for a couple decades because they are actually pretty good at their jobs? Maybe, just maybe, they overestimated Hundley. Then again, so did most in here. Not by watching practice every day. Or pouring over tape. Or coaching the kid. Nope we read press releases and thought they should have traded him on draft night for a couple picks because he’s going to be good.

If you think you know more than guys who have been in the NFL for a couple decades, should you not also be employed by the NFL? Is it the money that’s holding you back? Are you taking time away from the field to spend it with your family? Maybe you’re just too smart for these bozos?

NOBODY was bitching about our offense until AR went down and because Hundley was worse than anyone could foresee McCarthy is now a moron. Did anyone complain that Ted didn't sign a veteran FA QB and instead signed a TE, RG, OLB, DT and CB?

[beveaux1]

NOBODY was bitching about our offense until AR went down and because Hundley was worse than anyone could foresee McCarthy is now a moron. Did anyone complain that Ted didn't sign a veteran FA QB and instead signed a TE, RG, OLB, DT and CB?

No, but we're much better at hindsight than foresight.

[texaspackerbacker]

NOBODY was bitching about our offense until AR went down and because Hundley was worse than anyone could foresee McCarthy is now a moron. Did anyone complain that Ted didn't sign a veteran FA QB and instead signed a TE, RG, OLB, DT and CB?

Uh, some of us were. I, for one, have repeatedly complained about how our O Line always made it necessary for Rodgers to scramble and throw on the run. I also mentioned a few times that our WRs were basically overrated because they had the best QB in the history of the world throwing to them.

And about the FAs Ted went out and got, yeah, quantity-wise, he picked up a few more than usual, but literally all of those were rejects that virtually nobody else wanted including the teams they came from - same ol' same ol'.