Dom Capers was the reason the d is bad. There is talent on the D. You watch next year we are top 10 in defense and Super Bowl winners.
Dom Capers was the reason the d is bad. There is talent on the D. You watch next year we are top 10 in defense and Super Bowl winners.
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10 draft picks in the top 2 rounds over the last 6 years i believeOriginally Posted by Tony Oday
there should be plenty of talent there
but just in case, the new guy should add a few more free agents
Tony, I wouldn't ever call anybody an idiot that I agree with so much in political threads, but you are dead wrong in what you say here.
The reason for shaky defense OF COURSE was piss poor personnel, courtesy of Ted Thompson. Capers mitigated that situation to a great extent with his schemes, trickery, and compensation. Sometimes, the quality of personnel problem was just too much to compensate for, though.
I just hope whoever comes next is of a similar mindset and almost as good a D Corrdinator as Capers.
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The problem, of course, is when young and inexperienced players can't or won't execute Capers' "schemes, trickery and compensation" on Sunday afternoon. How about a DC who believes in KISS (Keep It Simple, Stupid)?
One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
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If they can't grasp it, why are they in the NFL? There's more here than simple complexity.
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One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
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Its a great question. And the fact that the D line coach and LB coach were let go doesn't answer the question about whether the assistants were part of the problem (especially in the backend). You also need to wonder about coach input about personnel decisions. Should Hyde and Hayward been more prized than they were? Hayward didn't start and Hyde was played out of position.
But there is a complexity with the Capers D that has long been acknowledged. He and Le Beau both preferred to have vets out there. Rather than simplify, they wanted to add rules to existing schemes to deal with new threats from the offense.
And this defense came together in 1992 or so. It was born of concepts that go back to Jim Mora and the old AFC 3-4. Its been modified heavily.
Capers moved to preferring (not sure whether this was him or Ted's talent) man coverage compared to Le Beau's zone.
But there is no question the D was designed to feature a full complement of adjustments, rules and techniques that required detailed understanding. It was not like the design of college D or Jimmy Johnson's D where it was simple and needed to be played fast.
However, somehow Gregg Williams, Jim Johnson (Philly D) and the Schwartz run some complex blitzes and coverages make it work. I don't think Dom was so far outside the norm that it couldn't work, but it made life tough for rooks (see early Nick Collins or Josh Jones).
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Think idiot is strongGuys from our team go somewhere else and excel, did they just get good or did the new coach actually coach them. We have the raw talent on d just magically nobody knows what the hell is going on.
Swede: My expertise in this area is extensive. The essential difference between a "battleship" and an "aircraft carrier" is that an aircraft carrier requires five direct hits to sink, but it takes only four direct hits to sink a battleship.
Well, hopefully all that will change with a new DC. It can't get much worse...Think idiot is strong
Beside Hyde and Hayward, who do you mean? Did you see Zombo get run out of a play by Mariota last night?Think idiot is strong
Hyde and Hayward both played well here. Hyde was a safety and Hayward a corner who could dominate in zone. They weren't terrible when not playing to their strengths either. Hyde took a lot of grief as a slot CB allowing passes across the middle, but trail coverage on a crossing route or TE coverage were problems in this D before he got here. His lack of speed did not help him solve it but he played the position wisely and did make some plays.
Since Hyde was not going to start at safety for Dom and Hayward was not a lock for the #2 CB job, Ted did not pay either like a well compensated starter. There was also the question of both contributing to some terrible defenses. Put on better defense and playing their natural spot, both excelled, though I am still no sold on Hyde as an All Pro, that defense he is on fell down hard in the second half of the season.
So either the DC adjusts the scheme and incorporates the talent or the GM gets new players when they are no longer cheap.
Dom didn't start them and Ted wasn't going to sign FAs just so they fit the open peg in Doms defense. Ergo, trouble.
The problem here is that no one ever squared this circle, and that is the fault of the organization. And McCarthy, who fired Capers only after a year that would make almost any move seem wise, has the same coordination question to answer now with two new guys.
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