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  1. #61
    Final cap number, current cap space (via Spotrac) and franchise and transition numbers.

    http://www.profootballweekly.com/201...llion/aujptoq/

    Packers in 26th place for cap space. So enjoy your one free agent signing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    Final cap number, current cap space (via Spotrac) and franchise and transition numbers.

    http://www.profootballweekly.com/201...llion/aujptoq/

    Packers in 26th place for cap space. So enjoy your one free agent signing!
    well, theres over 30 million that could be easily freed up by dumping 3 guys who are greatly overpaid

    i got a little bit of hope that with a-rod back that jordy can get back to being a decent #2 behind adams. cobb has not once come close to living up to his current contract, and clays career is damn near close to the end i think, not much left in that tank

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    Quote Originally Posted by red View Post
    well, theres over 30 million that could be easily freed up by dumping 3 guys who are greatly overpaid

    i got a little bit of hope that with a-rod back that jordy can get back to being a decent #2 behind adams. cobb has not once come close to living up to his current contract, and clays career is damn near close to the end i think, not much left in that tank
    They aren't letting Cobb go and would only seek to redo the deal, if that. No chance at $30 million. Matthews, overpaid or not, is the best player on defense if Perry isn't healthy.

    My bet is only one of those deals gets redone and none of them are leaving this year. They will be bottom third in space depending on how Rodgers contract gets done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    They aren't letting Cobb go and would only seek to redo the deal, if that. No chance at $30 million. Matthews, overpaid or not, is the best player on defense if Perry isn't healthy.

    My bet is only one of those deals gets redone and none of them are leaving this year. They will be bottom third in space depending on how Rodgers contract gets done.
    Well damn, u r depressing... I've been holding out hope we would start to see some big time changes. Stir the pot, mix things up, etc. Make this team fun to watch again...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    Final cap number, current cap space (via Spotrac) and franchise and transition numbers.

    http://www.profootballweekly.com/201...llion/aujptoq/

    Packers in 26th place for cap space. So enjoy your one free agent signing!

    So after bashing Ted for wanting to hoard salary to carryover and never use, let us commence bashing Ted for so inconsiderately spending too much and thus handcuffing future teams.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldbutnotdeadyet View Post
    Well damn, u r depressing... I've been holding out hope we would start to see some big time changes. Stir the pot, mix things up, etc. Make this team fun to watch again...
    Some of the complaints about depth are just ignoring that starters cannot be replaced easily after wholesale injuries. Safety or corner.

    But WR actually needs a young talent infusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    Some of the complaints about depth are just ignoring that starters cannot be replaced easily after wholesale injuries. Safety or corner.

    But WR actually needs a young talent infusion.
    I was pushing for a top WR in the draft a couple of years back (early enough in the process that the public had little idea on how the first round was projected to fall). I can't find the post now, but Davante was the only young WR on the outside, and Jordy wasn't going to get younger. I remember reading an article several years ago (maybe Jordy's third season-ish) about how the outside WR that lines up on the line who can get a good release against press coverage is the WR that makes it all work (whichever receiver letter that is). Jordy was projected into that role (before he broke out). That article has stuck with me ever since. Davante might be a legit #1. But I'd like two guys who look like that with Rodgers at QB.
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    Packers rookie pool over $8 mil, about half of available cap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    Packers rookie pool over $8 mil, about half of available cap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    Packers rookie pool over $8 mil, about half of available cap.
    That, of course, is only part of the story. Contracts get restructured; Most deals come in at way lower cap number than total face value divided by years. Other teams do a lot more with less. Ted didn't like doing that, and arguably quality of the team wasn't maximized because of it. I really hope Gutekunst sees things differently, but that remains to be seen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by texaspackerbacker View Post
    That, of course, is only part of the story. Contracts get restructured; Most deals come in at way lower cap number than total face value divided by years. Other teams do a lot more with less. Ted didn't like doing that, and arguably quality of the team wasn't maximized because of it. I really hope Gutekunst sees things differently, but that remains to be seen.
    Tank loves this line of thinking too, that the cap can just be avoided forever. But eventually it comes back to bite you. Just look at the mess of the Redskins or the Cowboys defense.

    And the rookie pool is a weird deal. You have to come in at that number. But the rest of the rookie deal is based off increases from that first year. So it’s very structured and rookie deals do not tend to feature cap games like veteran deals do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    Tank loves this line of thinking too, that the cap can just be avoided forever. But eventually it comes back to bite you. Just look at the mess of the Redskins or the Cowboys defense.

    And the rookie pool is a weird deal. You have to come in at that number. But the rest of the rookie deal is based off increases from that first year. So it’s very structured and rookie deals do not tend to feature cap games like veteran deals do.
    True on rookies, but the games definitely can be played on veterans' contracts. The nice thing about the NFL - compared to MLB for example - is that most of most contracts is not guaranteed. Cap hell hardly ever happens. The cap increases by such a healthy figure every year that things should be pushed to the limit in the years we still have Aaron Rodgers playing near his top level.
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  13. #73
    Here is a template for the offseason. Covers all the steps and has some numbers.

    Problem is, his numbers are non-sense. As of today, the Packers do not have $22 million in cap space and the rookie pool is $8 mil and not $5 mil. And after renegotiations and Rodgers signing an extension (his number, 5 years, $150 mil), if the Packers have $22 million in cap space I will eat my hat.

    So follow the template, use better numbers. He published on the 6th, maybe the draft pool numbers were published after his deadline.

    http://packerstalk.com/2018/03/06/20...ulation-v-4-0/

    Salary Cap

    Estimated salary cap – $178,000,000

    Player Salaries – $152,486,983

    Dead Money – $4,718,533

    Estimated Carryover – $6,400,000

    Draft Pick Reserve – $5,000,000

    Remaining Cap Space – $22,194,484

    Renegotiations
    Randall Cobb – I believe a fair offer is 4 years/$6 million per
    Jordy Nelson – I’d give Nelson 4 years/$8 million per
    Aaron Rodgers 5 years/$150 million with half of that guaranteed

    Remaining Cap Space – $22,955,984

    Cuts
    TE Lance Kendricks – Cap Savings: $1,625,000.
    No cut Matthews
    No cut Bulaga
    No cut Dix.

    Remaining Cap Space – $24,580,984

    Re-Signing
    S Morgan Burnett – 3 years, $8 million/year

    Remaining Cap Space – $18,980,984

    Free Agency
    CB Kyle Fuller – 4 years, $7 million/year
    DE Muhammad Wilkerson – 4 years, $7 million/year
    QB TJ Yates – 2 years, $1.3 million/year.
    TE Crockett Gilmore – 3 years, $2 million/year

    Remaining Cap Space – $6,640,984

    Draft
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    http://packerstalk.com/2018/03/06/20...ulation-v-4-0/

    Salary Cap

    2018 salary cap – $177,200,000

    Player Salaries – $160,602,634 (52 players under contract, not the Top 51 number)

    Dead Money – $4,718,533

    2017 Carryover – $3,934,000

    Draft Pick Reserve – $8,761,000

    Remaining Cap Space – $7,051,833


    Renegotiations

    Remaining Cap Space – $



    Cuts

    Remaining Cap Space – $



    Re-Signing

    Remaining Cap Space – $



    Free Agency

    Remaining Cap Space – $



    Draft
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    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    Here is a template for the offseason. Covers all the steps and has some numbers.

    Problem is, his numbers are non-sense. As of today, the Packers do not have $22 million in cap space and the rookie pool is $8 mil and not $5 mil. And after renegotiations and Rodgers signing an extension (his number, 5 years, $150 mil), if the Packers have $22 million in cap space I will eat my hat.

    So follow the template, use better numbers. He published on the 6th, maybe the draft pool numbers were published after his deadline.

    http://packerstalk.com/2018/03/06/20...ulation-v-4-0/

    Salary Cap

    Estimated salary cap – $178,000,000

    Player Salaries – $152,486,983

    Dead Money – $4,718,533

    Estimated Carryover – $6,400,000

    Draft Pick Reserve – $5,000,000

    Remaining Cap Space – $22,194,484

    Renegotiations
    Randall Cobb – I believe a fair offer is 4 years/$6 million per
    Jordy Nelson – I’d give Nelson 4 years/$8 million per
    Aaron Rodgers 5 years/$150 million with half of that guaranteed

    Remaining Cap Space – $22,955,984

    Cuts
    TE Lance Kendricks – Cap Savings: $1,625,000.
    No cut Matthews
    No cut Bulaga
    No cut Dix.

    Remaining Cap Space – $24,580,984

    Re-Signing
    S Morgan Burnett – 3 years, $8 million/year

    Remaining Cap Space – $18,980,984

    Free Agency
    CB Kyle Fuller – 4 years, $7 million/year
    DE Muhammad Wilkerson – 4 years, $7 million/year
    QB TJ Yates – 2 years, $1.3 million/year.
    TE Crockett Gilmore – 3 years, $2 million/year

    Remaining Cap Space – $6,640,984

    Draft
    QB TJ Yates: Why?

    http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6603/tj-yates

    Crockett Gillmore wants to change Positions from the TE Position to Tackle,

    http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/...ckett-gillmore

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    The #Rams are trading LB Alec Ogletree to the #Giants for 2 draft picks, source said. He was offered to the #Chiefs, too, but they declined. @AdamSchefter on it first.


    Why hasn't Gutey traded anyone yet?

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  17. #77
    Dead serious, need someone to check my cap math there.

    Everyone is reporting Packers at $19.6 mil. That does not include rookie pool ($8.7 mil). If it did it would be 10.9 million of room.

    But I don't get the discrepancy between the public number 19.6-8.7=10.9 and the number I get when I add up all the particulars (7.0).

    People cannot be quoting salary cap numbers without counting dead cap space can they?
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  18. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    Dead serious, need someone to check my cap math there.

    Everyone is reporting Packers at $19.6 mil. That does not include rookie pool ($8.7 mil). If it did it would be 10.9 million of room.

    But I don't get the discrepancy between the public number 19.6-8.7=10.9 and the number I get when I add up all the particulars (7.0).

    People cannot be quoting salary cap numbers without counting dead cap space can they?
    every fucking year

    8.7 million for rookies does not mean the rookies will take up 8.7 million in cap space

    i don't feel like doing my own thing again for the god knows how many-th years in a row

    just read this

    https://overthecap.com/explaining-th...ie-salary-cap/

    in short. rookies take the place of other guys on the 53 man roster. 3rd round picks and later basicaly don't add to the cap because they make the minimum and are replacing guys who also made the minimum.

    2nd round picks make about a half million a year more then minimum. which leaves just the first round pick that actually adds anything to the cap.

    for the packers last year since they traded out of the first. king got about 300,000 more then the minimum, and adams got just over the minimum. so last year the rookie class took up between 500,000 and a million of our cap space

  19. #79
    after we sign our rookies we will have about 1-2 million less in cap space, NOT 8.7 million less

    last year the #14 pick had a cap number of just over 1 million his first year

    #14 in the second round had a cap number of 727,000

    minus out the minimum wage guys they replace and thats a cap hit of about 750,000.

    the other rounds cancel out
    Last edited by red; 03-07-2018 at 06:19 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by red View Post
    after we sign our rookies we will have about 1-2 million less in cap space, NOT 8.7 million less

    last year the #14 pick had a cap number of just over 1 million his first year

    #14 in the second round had a cap number of 727,000

    minus out the minimum wage guys they replace and thats a cap hit of about 750,000.

    the other rounds cancel out
    OK, so he worked out actual cap space that had to be cleared for the 2015 rookies by team and it floats around one third to one half of the actual allowed rookie cap space, but can vary quite a bit team to team. Packers in that year had an allocation of 5.3 mil for 9 players and had to clear 1.8 mil. Bears and Jets were over half.

    So I will adjust the offseason template to knock down the cap space by only 1/3 of the rookie allocation.
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