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    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    Rodgers would start more games.
    Except that D-Rod has never started more than 12 games in a season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti-Polar Bear View Post
    Except that D-Rod has never started more than 12 games in a season.
    DickRod can only play when called. He's always available.

    If Mike wants to start O with no TE personnel, then the team starts with no TE. Graham would miss those starts plus his injured games.

    At least Richard can continue to contribute to special teams.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    DickRod can only play when called. He's always available.

    If Mike wants to start O with no TE personnel, then the team starts with no TE. Graham would miss those starts plus his injured games.

    At least Richard can continue to contribute to special teams.
    Again, Jimmy G had a fluke season in which he missed multiple games due to injuries. He's not by any means, medians or modes "injury-prone." Graham's a playmaker; He was a misfit in Seattle's run-first offense. Imagine A-Rod throwing Graham the rock in an offense whose #1 receiver currently is Adams, a guy who has never once topped the 1000 yds receiving mark. 80+ catches, 1500+ yards, 10+ TDs easily for Graham, especially without Jennings, Nelson, Jones and Driver in their primes to feed.

    I don't get the love for sloth Richard Rodgers. Aside from the Hail Mary, Rodgers played like the TE that sat on the Bears' Practice Squad last season - Whoever that TE was, he had no problems matching Rodgers' kung fu (if my Chinese is correct, "kung fu" means "skill").
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    Marty Bennett not retiring. Should Gutey kick the tires?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joemailman View Post
    Marty Bennett not retiring. Should Gutey kick the tires?
    Bring him back. He can block.

    Why are folks complaining about Jimmy G's blocking. Ever since A-Rod, perhaps unjustly, took over for the Gunslinger, the only TE who could block very well in the Green and Gold was, gasp, Marty B.

    Point is, a blocking TE is pointless with A-Rod at QB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti-Polar Bear View Post
    Bring him back. He can block.

    Why are folks complaining about Jimmy G's blocking. Ever since A-Rod, perhaps unjustly, took over for the Gunslinger, the only TE who could block very well in the Green and Gold was, gasp, Marty B.

    Point is, a blocking TE is pointless with A-Rod at QB.
    Do you think it's important for a TE to be able to block, or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joemailman View Post
    Do you think it's important for a TE to be able to block, or not?
    Forgot to include the wink icon in the 1st paragraph.

    I'm all for signing Jimmy G. According to some Pack fans, he can't block worth a lick. To answer your question, no, blocking TEs are not important. Not in the Packers' O. Not with A-Rod at QB.
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    Malcolm Butler doesn't do a lot for me, especially at $9M/yr. His passer rating stats last year weren't great, and if he's short and slow what's the appeal?

    I honestly don't expect them to sign any splash players...but I do expect them to sign for depth like they did with Davon House and Jahri Evans last season. I like the idea of signing vets who can contribute for a year or two in the locker room and provide depth/competition.

    It's possible they forgo that because they have so many draft picks, but BG has publicly hinted that they will be active in FA.
    They're better off using their cap space to sign Rodgers to a long-term contract.

    Jimmy Graham will want too much money, and he doesn't block. Might as well draft Auden Tate and run him or Michael Clark from the slot. Maybe Spriggs can play TE.

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    Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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    not a free agent but the Packers should have been in on the Marcus Peters trade. would have been great to get a shutdown corner. too late now.

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    Peters was the KC CB right? Isn't he the crazy version of Talib?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freak Out View Post
    Peters was the KC CB right? Isn't he the crazy version of Talib?
    ha! you could put it that way. shut-down cb. int machine. oh well.

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    Spotrac estimates Graham's market value at 6.7 million

    Release Jordy or Cobb to clear cap room.

    Sign Graham

    Move Ty Montgomery to slot WR position.

    Any Takers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joemailman View Post
    Spotrac estimates Graham's market value at 6.7 million

    Release Jordy or Cobb to clear cap room.

    Sign Graham

    Move Ty Montgomery to slot WR position.

    Any Takers?
    Depends on what that $6.7M means. Is that salary and bonuses? This will be his last big check and I'm betting he'll want $20M up front to sign for 4. Puts his cap hit at $10M if he's getting $6 per for salary and incentives.

    Here's some comparisons between him and Cobb. Graham hit Seattle's cap for $10M in 2017. Cobb was $12.7M in 2017. Cobb(27) is 4 years younger than Graham(31).

    Tgts Rec Yds AVG TD Lng RPG YPG Ctch%
    96 57 520 9.1 10 33 3.6 32.5 59.4% - Graham
    92 66 653 9.9 4 46 4.4 43.5 71.7% - Cobb

    This is with Bart Hundler at QB vs RusWill. Not sure what you're gaining at that point.

    Edit:
    Nelson plays outside, but here's a comparison just for fun.

    Nelson(32) hit GB's cap for $12.5M in 2017 and is a year older than Graham

    Tgts Rec Yds AVG TD Lng RPG YPG Ctch%
    88 53 482 9.1 6 58 3.5 32.1 60.2%
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    This is museum quality stupidity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zool View Post
    Depends on what that $6.7M means. Is that salary and bonuses? This will be his last big check and I'm betting he'll want $20M up front to sign for 4. Puts his cap hit at $10M if he's getting $6 per for salary and incentives.

    Here's some comparisons between him and Cobb. Graham hit Seattle's cap for $10M in 2017. Cobb was $12.7M in 2017. Cobb(27) is 4 years younger than Graham(31).

    Tgts Rec Yds AVG TD Lng RPG YPG Ctch%
    96 57 520 9.1 10 33 3.6 32.5 59.4% - Graham
    92 66 653 9.9 4 46 4.4 43.5 71.7% - Cobb

    This is with Bart Hundler at QB vs RusWill. Not sure what you're gaining at that point.

    Edit:
    Nelson plays outside, but here's a comparison just for fun.

    Nelson(32) hit GB's cap for $12.5M in 2017 and is a year older than Graham

    Tgts Rec Yds AVG TD Lng RPG YPG Ctch%
    88 53 482 9.1 6 58 3.5 32.1 60.2%
    Why compare Cobb to Graham? They play different positions. Graham would be an upgrade at TE. So if Montgomery could replace Cobb at slot, it would be an overall plus.

    Jordy's days of playing primarily outside may be over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joemailman View Post
    Why compare Cobb to Graham? They play different positions. Graham would be an upgrade at TE. So if Montgomery could replace Cobb at slot, it would be an overall plus.

    Jordy's days of playing primarily outside may be over.
    Mostly because you said cut one of them to sign Graham. Graham plays "TE"....sorta. He's more like a large slot receiver so he's not too far off from Cobb. If he's amazing, and he played with an MVP candidate QB, shouldn't his numbers have been better?

    I guess I'm saying, I'm not sold on Graham at $10M.
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    This is museum quality stupidity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joemailman View Post
    Spotrac estimates Graham's market value at 6.7 million

    Release Jordy or Cobb to clear cap room.

    Sign Graham

    Move Ty Montgomery to slot WR position.

    Any Takers?

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    While not technically a free agent signing, ESPN reported the complexities of Damarius Randall's option year.

    Apparently they have until May 3rd to declare if they will pick up the 5th year option on his rookie contract (or he would become a free agent next year). The NFL formula pegs his salary on the 5th year option at $8.526M.
    If they exercise the option, his salary is guaranteed against injury, but they could still release him prior to the first day of the league year (in 2019) without consequences.

    They did exercise the option on Ha Ha, but did not on Nick Perry, who they eventually just resigned. It will be interesting to see what they do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teamcheez1 View Post
    While not technically a free agent signing, ESPN reported the complexities of Damarius Randall's option year.

    Apparently they have until May 3rd to declare if they will pick up the 5th year option on his rookie contract (or he would become a free agent next year). The NFL formula pegs his salary on the 5th year option at $8.526M.
    If they exercise the option, his salary is guaranteed against injury, but they could still release him prior to the first day of the league year (in 2019) without consequences.

    They did exercise the option on Ha Ha, but did not on Nick Perry, who they eventually just resigned. It will be interesting to see what they do.
    This a no-brainer... let him walk.

    The sooner the better.
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    Graham is 31 and his production was way down since he came to Seattle. It used to be a run first offense out there but not lately: Wilson has thrown for over 4000 yards two of the last three seasons and just missed last year. It's just that not many of those yards have gone to Jimmie Graham. I see further decline and more injuries in his near future. No thanks.

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