And he left the Packers in the hands of Sherman....Originally Posted by bobblehead
And he left the Packers in the hands of Sherman....
And 1 glorious year of Ray Rhodes...
Bobble, its easy to understand. Wolf was very good at answering the phone for reporters and answering questions in a snappy format during press conferences.
Its not yet dawned on the GB press corps (for that matter, the national press corp) that they were snowed.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
Can I choose both? I thought they were both pretty awesome. Wolf's last (or second-to-last, depending on which story you believe) GM year, 2000, was one for the ages. Should have netted the Packers a SB in 2002, APRH, and maybe 2003, ANFBF (assuming no Favre brain fart). Brought in Green (on Sherman's recommendation) in a total steal of a trade and 4-5 very productive starters in the draft.
BG has two pair of huge shoes to fill.
"Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck
http://host.madison.com/wsj/sports/f...81baafb1c.html
This quote stood out for me:
It sounds like the defense will be fundamentally sound and not be overly complex, but just appear that way. I really like the sound of that, and I hope he pulls it off with the players he has available.“The cornerstone for us is going to be, first of all, fundamentally sound, smart football,” Pettine said. “We coach the heck out of the little details. If you want to get into the schematic stuff, I like to appear multiple. I know people have said the system can be very complicated, but we like to appear multiple without necessarily putting that much stuff in.”
Fire Murphy, Gute, MLF, Barry, Senavich, etc!
It's kind of just the opposite of what I saw from the Packers defense this past year. The defense seemed too complex for some of the Packer players to grasp, but it didn't seem to fool the opposition.
n the next few months, Pettine will be evaluating this roster to see what he has and see what it can do. The “cupboard isn’t bare,” Pettine remarked.
“In the NFL, it’s all about the players,” Pettine said. “I’ve always been a big believer in having a system and building your roster that way but you have to work with who you have on campus. You can’t win with players you don’t have.”
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Just remember that the phrase MadScientist quoted is the new version of "we want to be aggressive". Everyone wants to do it, few can.
We'll see. For the record, just as Capers had to scale his D back, Pettine and Ryan had to scale back their D in recent years in response to offenses picking up the pace plus going no huddle. Pettine's defenses slipped with the Jets and they mutually parted ways to go to Buffalo.
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Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
I have to say the overall rankings from Football Outsiders (last three numbers) are very good for six of these years. but his pass D relies on a pass rush the Packers don't have right now. Without bolstering it, I think its Capers redux. There will be a bump due to unfamiliarity for at least the first eight games.
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Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
Does Cleveland count as he was "90% administrative and 10% football"? As an aside, this is why Edgar Bennett lost the OC job. McCarthy may call the plays, but he doesn't instill the offense and get it prepared (my read based on snippets of information here and there).
No longer the member of any fan clubs. I'm tired of jinxing players out of the league and into obscurity.
Not as much as when he was DC. But it was his defense he installed, so you can't ignore it.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
There is no such thing as an alternative to draft and develop. When you have to follow a salary cap like everyone else, the path to a better team than everyone else is to hit your draft picks. Get great players on ridiculously underpriced rookie contracts. Every good team has this working for them.
Furthermore the free agency of Ron Wolf's day is very different from early Ted's day and starting to change again right now. Players like Reggie White will only hit free agency again in the rarest of circumstances. That was a different world. By Ted's day FA was something that bad teams did to get to the salary cap and good teams to put fingers in the dike. In this time period one of the best signings ever was Woodson and he was considered a major risk. Today FA is still retreads and risks but what's changing is the salary cap is exploding faster than contracts can keep up. Teams have money so might as well get some mercenaries to sure up the ranks.
70% of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Al Harris.
"Draft and develop" is nothing but a lame excuse incompetent GMs/coaches use to buy time. NFL stands for "Not for Long," doesn't it?
Quarterback is possibly the only position in the NFL in which further "development" is necessary. College is for development. The NFL is for improvement. In other words, players develop in college and in the NFL they seek to get better. As Wolf liked to say, you either can play or you can't in the NFL. An NFL player has to continue getting better, or more likely than not, he will get replaced. You draft a Deshawn Wynn, you get a Deshawn Wynn. You're not gonna "develop" Wynn into a Adrian Peterson.
I'm not going to stop the wheel. I'm going to break the wheel.
College's do less development than ever before as practice time has dwindled. Also hurts when college schemes don't match the pros.
NFL relies more and more on younger players as salary cap make the young ones much less expensive.
Develop is more important than ever.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
I guess you're too young to remember back in the day George Allen and the Redskins trading away virtually their entire draft almost every year. They were pretty successful at that alternative method of team building. I don't necessarily advocate that or even a modern version of it, but just saying ......
I would argue that the steadily increasing - you say exploding - salary cap makes quality free agent signing more feasible, not less than in Ron Wolf's day. Wolf of course, was way more draft and develop than most GMs - just not nearly to the extent that Ted Thompson was.
The current plight of the Packers is a direct result of Ron AND Ted's flawed way of doing things. It was masked for over two decades by the greatness of Aaron Rodgers and Favre before him, but it caught up with us last season.
What's this stuff doing in a Pettine thread instead of a Gutekunst thread?
What could be more GOOD and NORMAL and AMERICAN than Packer Football?
As always, this is a very stupid take. Success and draft position are inversely related, so that the greater are Favre and Rodgers (and the schemes developed by the coaches who train them) the lower the draft status, which is more responsible for the quality of players than the GMs. Success with draft picks and success with FAs are not guaranteed, but FA failure is literally more costly, making it inherently more risky.
I'll say it one last time - based on overall success, relative to the rest of the NFL, anyone who thinks that Wolf and TT are flawed GMs is a fool.
"Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck
Edward Bennett Williams: I gave George an unlimited budget and he exceeded it.
You couldn't do George Allen these days without rebuilding as often as the Florida Marlins. He once traded a draft pick he did not control.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
That's pretty weak - blaming it on "draft position" - in light of posting about "Belichickism", etc. and other teams building up overall strength way more than the Packers under similar or not much worse circumstances.
The stupid take is clinging to the crap that Ted Thompson was responsible rather than a drag on Packer success.
What could be more GOOD and NORMAL and AMERICAN than Packer Football?
Well I see you've upped the ante on stupidity. First, if you just want to compare to Belichick then fine - you will be disappointed. Because he's the best - by far. It's like an innovator saying if I can't be like Edison or Jobs, then I suck.
Second, Thompson was more successful - bottom line - than all but two or three of his contemporary GMs. So saying he's a drag on Packer success is just stubborn idiocy. He brought in the coach who developed the offense and the QB that GB ran to great success. You can't separate him from those results and cast them onto Rodgers in isolation (well you can, but you look the fool). He brought in the parts that worked with Rodgers - Jennings, Jones, Nelson, Finley, and the O-line (which when healthy was considered one of the best in the NFL - certainly based on FA his O-linemen were well-regarded; e.g. Lang and Sitton). Despite the hatred of Capers and the defense, he did bring in the parts that kept them competitive for many years.
Show me the teams that built up 'overall strength' 'way better' than the Packers over TT's run. And how do you argue that without considering how their bottom line compares in regular season and playoff wins, playoff appearances, and championships. You know, the things that matter.
"Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck
One thing people forget is that GMs and coaches cannot swapped out according to mathematical principles. You can't use the transitive property or substitution property.
Ted plus more FA and trades doesn't equal Belichick. Doesn't work that way. People have different skills and do a variable job of hiring other good people (and then listening to them) about things they do not excel in. Ted built an org that drafted like their life depended on it, mainly because it does. The guys who would be more FA or trade friendly? McKenzie is going backward in Oakland and may have taken a drastic hit in power, Schneider's team is falling apart on defense without a bevy of young top picks and Dorsey got fired from a team that is truly the definition of one and done.
Odds are hugely against Gutekunst being as good at building a team as Ted or Ron. Even if he adds some more FAs or trades for people.
And I would wager my last dollar the small difference between the Packers and the Patriots over the last decade plus was coaching, not personnel.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
Fingers crossed Gute is more like TT than most of the forum desires.
No longer the member of any fan clubs. I'm tired of jinxing players out of the league and into obscurity.
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