Brian Gutekunst, Making No Sense

[mraynrand]

Given our roster, I'm moving up all day long for Landry. Even if they are equivalent players, there were opportunities to get quality CB's later..aka....Nelson.......

I mentioned something in the draft thread that Landry looked like a one trick pony to me - shoulder dip upfield and that's it. I like the Jackson pick because of the way he plays, and I'd stay with him if it were my choice. I worry that he's mostly faced some pretty rotten QBs.

[woodbuck27]

Gotta have the undercoating ...

Classic Dark Comedy ala 'a Packer GM Brian Gutekunst media interview' after the Packers War Room Razzle Dazzle in Round One of the Draft:



[Practices calling Wade Gustafson his Father in Law after wifey is kidnapped]

Yah, Wade, It's Jerry, I ... Yah, Wade, it's, I, it's Jerry... I don't know what to do it's Jean. I don't know what to do it's my wife. I don't know what to do it's Jean. Wade, it's Jerry, I ... Wade, it's Jerry! We gotta talk! Oh, geez, it's terrible... [calls the number] Yah, Wade Gustafson, please.

[mraynrand]

HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION WISTY AND WOODY AND ALL...............WHAT IF GOOTIE HAS STAYED THERE AND NOT TRADED DOWN


HOW WOULD YOU HAVE FELT ABOUT THE ABOVE ???????????????

The potential upside is huge. Dude could be a monster at ILB, maybe even outside a bit too. But that's not where the team was hurting the most. This was a need draft. Not only do the Packers need corners but they are going to need them to start. That Edmunds kid is a lot more raw than the Packer CBs.

[Bretsky]

The potential upside is huge. Dude could be a monster at ILB, maybe even outside a bit too. But that's not where the team was hurting the most. This was a need draft. Not only do the Packers need corners but they are going to need them to start. That Edmunds kid is a lot more raw than the Packer CBs.

I really like N Nelson form the Mighty Badgers

CB's were so deep this year they were there in round 4 and 5

Elite talent LB'ers were not.

Edmunds is a high risk/high reward guy though. He's only 19.

I worry we had a chance to get an elite person on defense...and we never get that shot because we never draft this high

Hope we made the right call.

[Zool]

I can’t figure out the Nick Nelson love. He made big plays but got beat a lot this year.

[woodbuck27]

When asked Former Packer GM responded yes he failed in his inaugural Draft..



Brian Gutekunst Blew the Draft with one name:

** Tremaine Edmunds



** Tremaine Edmunds - VIRGINIA TECH

Rnd 1, Pick 16 ILB Buffalo Bills - Junior - GRADE = 7.17

Pick Analysis:

He doesn't turn 20 until May 2. He's an off the ball linebacker and some people think he's so talented, he might even be a pass rusher on third down. His future is immense. He's got this rare size and skill set that gives him a sub-package versatility that is unknown in today's game. --Mike Mayock

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/tremai...0-412c60099aca

Overview

Edmunds combines elite size, speed and explosiveness into a productive, versatile linebacker package that will have evaluators salivating. Edmunds has posted high-impact production over the last two seasons and he still has room to get bigger and better. He will make mental mistakes and his instincts are subpar, but he has an ability to mitigate those issues with his athletic ability. Edmunds can play in any alignment at any linebacker spot and has All-Pro potential no matter where he lands.

[wist43]

The Biegel comment kinda kills your post. Injured, didn't play a lot, rookie. Isn't Jon Ryan the Seattle punter? Assume you mean Jake. Anyway, SMH.

I can't stand Biegel... and yes, you'll forgive my addled memory Jon/Jake - I'm still a bit doped up. Home from the hospital, be in bed for a few days - so if i make less sense than my usual senseless sense, you can assume i just took some pain meds, lol...

[woodbuck27]

I can't stand Biegel... and yes, you'll forgive my addled memory Jon/Jake - I'm still a bit doped up. Home from the hospital, be in bed for a few days - so if i make less sense than my usual senseless sense, you can assume i just took some pain meds, lol...

I'm glad to see you posting wist43.

Take it really easy Packer fan.

Noone with even half a brain is going to defend The Packer BRASS and this real mess over that past three days.

The Saturday Night LIVE comedy writers couldn't write it up any more screwey.

Let's call it a Rookie GM Panic Attack.

[Bretsky]

I can't stand Biegel... and yes, you'll forgive my addled memory Jon/Jake - I'm still a bit doped up. Home from the hospital, be in bed for a few days - so if i make less sense than my usual senseless sense, you can assume i just took some pain meds, lol...

You just don't like white Badgers !! lol...j/k........

[George Cumby]

Maybe this will help those of you who think Burks can’t play a lick of football.

http://www.patriots.com/video/2018/0...-lb-vanderbilt

I think maybe he can play a little.

Dude plays fast and aggressive against good competition. Looks more instinctive than Ryan ever did.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I really like N Nelson form the Mighty Badgers

CB's were so deep this year they were there in round 4 and 5

Elite talent LB'ers were not.

Edmunds is a high risk/high reward guy though. He's only 19.

I worry we had a chance to get an elite person on defense...and we never get that shot because we never draft this high

Hope we made the right call.

I don't necessarily think the draft was that deep at CB this year. There were 4 CBs that I felt really good about (Ward, Alexander, Oliver, Josh Jackson). There were a few others that I liked (Dawson, Hughes, Donte Jackson). A couple of boom or bust prospects (Averett, Davis). After that, it wasn't overly impressive. There were some with good sleeper potential (Nelson, Hill, Maddox).

[woodbuck27]

Dude plays fast and aggressive against good competition. Looks more instinctive than Ryan ever did.

He has seriously good closing speed and can tackle.

[wist43]

I don't necessarily think the draft was that deep at CB this year. There were 4 CBs that I felt really good about (Ward, Alexander, Oliver, Josh Jackson). There were a few others that I liked (Dawson, Hughes, Donte Jackson). A couple of boom or bust prospects (Averett, Davis). After that, it wasn't overly impressive. There were some with good sleeper potential (Nelson, Hill, Maddox).

Why not draft a guy like Hill in the 7th, and assume he gets suspended at least you own his rights if he ever grows up.

I'd rather do that than take a long snapper.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Why not draft a guy like Hill in the 7th, and assume he gets suspended at least you own his rights if he ever grows up.

I'd rather do that than take a long snapper.

With the issues we've had since Goode started getting hurt, LS was a need. I'd like to not go through the LS carousel anymore. Hopefully, this guy delivers. I have no idea why this guy over Carew, but I won't pretend to be a LS guru.

[wist43]

Looking ahead a couple of years, I was hoping that we could be in the conversation for a SB title in 2020.

My hope was that Gute would get a lot of prospects in the pipeline this year, and he has for the most part; but the organization has completely blown off upgrading the pass rush, and that will set the team back at least another year - now the best case might be that we push for an NFCCG appearance by 2021; and, that is only assuming they go all-in on rebuilding the pass rush next year. Something that is certainly not a given.

To hear Gute and MM talk as if Fackrell and Biegel are legit options was very disheartening. Fackrell will be cut before next season, and Biegel is a long shot at best. There's some talent on the DL, but the overall LB corp is so weak that there is no way this team can compete with the elite teams in the league.

I like the WR's they brought in, and I think they fixed the secondary for the most part, but ignoring the pass rush like they did is really going to set the team back.

[3irty1]

I'm pretty pleased with what I saw from Gute.

First that was some impressive navigating in the first round. When you're a team that wins in the NFL you have to get value wherever you can find it and I think that happened. Since exploiting loopholes and competitive advantages ain't cheating, you all know what to do if you find yourself in a position to push Drew Brees into traffic in the next few months.

Deja vu drafting back to back corners again, but I'm glad these guys aren't projects. We just can't have too many good corners even with perfect health. The need for pass rush might be a little overstated. Acquiring Peppers was a great opportunity, but we don't absolutely need a 3rd starting caliber OLB. When we won the SB we were thinner there than we are now. Plus there is Pettine to consider, who never even saw a decent OLB until he was in Buffalo yet still managed to make lemonade. What our pass rush needs right now is help in the secondary and lots of it. If these young guys put it together a weakness can be a strength once again.

Drafting the three WR reminds me of last year's approach to running backs. I hope they push each other because if any of them hit we'll finally have one of those big matchup nightmare guys.

[Patler]

With the issues we've had since Goode started getting hurt, LS was a need. I'd like to not go through the LS carousel anymore. Hopefully, this guy delivers. I have no idea why this guy over Carew, but I won't pretend to be a LS guru.

Exactly. They got the guy they think is the best prospect from this year's draft class.

Right now, the only LS on the roster is Zack Triner, who also has no NFL experience and has been out of college a couple years.
I expect Goode is their fallback guy again, but they have been trying to find a replacement for him since last year. I think they tried four different one last year, two during the season when Goode was out, but apparently they didn't like any of them well enough to sign them this year.

Right now, LS is a big question mark on this team.

[woodbuck27]

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By: Brad Crawford - Mar 5, 1:00 PM

[pbmax]

Acquiring Peppers was a great opportunity, but we don't absolutely need a 3rd starting caliber OLB. When we won the SB we were thinner there than we are now. Plus there is Pettine to consider, who never even saw a decent OLB until he was in Buffalo yet still managed to make lemonade. What our pass rush needs right now is help in the secondary and lots of it.

It would really look like the Super Bowl team if they got push up the middle in the pass rush.

Bring back Howard Green.

[hoosier]

I mentioned something in the draft thread that Landry looked like a one trick pony to me - shoulder dip upfield and that's it. I like the Jackson pick because of the way he plays, and I'd stay with him if it were my choice. I worry that he's mostly faced some pretty rotten QBs.

He faced Josh Allen, McSorley, Barrett and Horny last year. Now granted, Josh Allen may be the worst QB ever to be drafted in the top 10, or at least he has the potential to rival Rich Campbell for that honor, but I woudn't call him a rotten QB.