Rodgers not real confident in changes.

[mraynrand]

Joe was on the radio the other day. It really sounded like he was the major voice supporting Hue Jackson. Literally said that it was impossible for Hue to succeed when the front office was doing everything they could to make it impossible to win. Anyway, the point is that he seemed committed to stay. But I guess that means nothing except it might cost a little more to get him.

[Rutnstrut]

What he said was not as diva like. The fact that he aired it out in public at all was very diva like. Call it what you want. I don't mind difficult behavior when a player can back it up on the field. But to deny that Rodgers can be whiny or diva like at times is just proof that the kool-aid affects your vision.

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a change needed to be made, a-rods play has regressed lately and the only other QB on the team sucked when the team needed him

so the QB coach wasn't exactly doing a great job

we don't need a QB coach whos gonna be good buddies with the QBs, we need one that is willing to tell them when they fuck up or aren't doing things the right way.

before van pelt they were trying to get the ball out of a-rods hands in 2.5 seconds. we need to get back to those days

the bad news is that the new guy has been coaching eli the last 2 years and eli has been terrible under him, well not terrible, but not great either

[Joemailman]

a change needed to be made, a-rods play has regressed lately and the only other QB on the team sucked when the team needed him

so the QB coach wasn't exactly doing a great job

we don't need a QB coach whos gonna be good buddies with the QBs, we need one that is willing to tell them when they fuck up or aren't doing things the right way.

before van pelt they were trying to get the ball out of a-rods hands in 2.5 seconds. we need to get back to those days

the bad news is that the new guy has been coaching eli the last 2 years and eli has been terrible under him, well not terrible, but not great either

I think Hundley's lack of being prepared to start when needed is what got Van Pelt fired (if he was fired).

Manning was decent in 2016. This year their WR corp was wiped out by injuries. I wouldn't judge the coach too harshly for his performance. Plus, Manning is 37. He might be on the downside of his career. Mannings passer ratings the past 2 year were 86.0 and 80.4. His career passer rating is 83.5. He's never been in the elite class of QB's despite his 2 rings.

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I think Hundley's lack of being prepared to start when needed is what got Van Pelt fired (if he was fired).

Manning was decent in 2016. This year their WR corp was wiped out by injuries. I wouldn't judge the coach too harshly for his performance. Plus, Manning is 37. He might be on the downside of his career. Mannings passer ratings the past 2 year were 86.0 and 80.4. His career passer rating is 83.5. He's never been in the elite class of QB's despite his 2 rings.

No he wasn't fired. McCarthy offered him a contract but Van Pelt wanted to pursue an OC job elsewhere.

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No he wasn't fired. McCarthy offered him a contract but Van Pelt wanted to pursue an OC job elsewhere.

thats what the story from the team and van pelt were

if they wanted to allow van pelt to save some face, this is the story they would use

also, has anyone heard any buzz what so ever about him becoming an OC anywhere? or even any interest?

i call total BS on the story, he was canned

[pbmax]

thats what the story from the team and van pelt were

if they wanted to allow van pelt to save some face, this is the story they would use

also, has anyone heard any buzz what so ever about him becoming an OC anywhere? or even any interest?

i call total BS on the story, he was canned

It was announced before he was fired. It was covered last year. This wasn't something they invented after he was let go.

He WAS not signed to a new deal, so the Packers did decide to move on. Result same but no firing.

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thats what the story from the team and van pelt were

if they wanted to allow van pelt to save some face, this is the story they would use

also, has anyone heard any buzz what so ever about him becoming an OC anywhere? or even any interest?

i call total BS on the story, he was canned

Oh, Jason Wilde said Van Pelt didn't sign an extension because he wanted out so he could pursue a OC job elsewhere.

[woodbuck27]

thats what the story from the team and van pelt were

if they wanted to allow van pelt to save some face, this is the story they would use

also, has anyone heard any buzz what so ever about him becoming an OC anywhere? or even any interest?

i call total BS on the story, he was canned

MM wouldn't do anything but tell the exact TRUTH would he !?

The weird thing and Mike McCarthy there are too many in here that actually cannot see that Punk for what he is.

Mike McCarthy and now Mark Murphy and tied to MM are the WEAKEST LINKS.

I hope so very much that Mike McCarthy gets canned after next Season.

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I think Rodgers was disappointed McCarthy didn't consult with him before he hired Cignetti. #12 was stupid to talk about that to the press no matter what he was asked. Rodgers knew Van Pelt was leaving. Unfortunately for Alex his work with Hundley didn't do him any favors so he didn't get a OC job like he wanted.

[Joemailman]

http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/p...t-relationship

Interesting story from last year after beating Dallas in playoffs about the relationship between Rodgers and Van Pelt. Sheds some light about why Rodgers might have reacted as he did.

[Fritz]

I think that Aaron Rodgers being the hub of this team, and as we now know, the difference between 10-6 and 6-10, I would've asked him if he wanted Van Pelt back. If Rodgers said yes, I'd hire him back. Period.

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Was Van Pelt all that great a QB coach? How come after he became Aaron's coach did Rodgers have stretches where he didn't play well? He had to tell us all to relax in 2015 because things weren't going well and he looked positively pedestrian in the second half of 2016 until he declared we'd run the table.

[woodbuck27]

Was Van Pelt all that great a QB coach? How come after he became Aaron's coach did Rodgers have stretches where he didn't play well? He had to tell us all to relax in 2015 because things weren't going well and he looked positively pedestrian in the second half of 2016 until he declared we'd run the table.

The question (s) I propose:

A.) Did Packer HC Mike McCarthy upgrade at the QB Coaching level Vs possibly scapegoating on former Packer QB's Coach Alex Van Pelt and ultimately downgrade (at QB Coach)?

B.) Looking at the BIG PICTURE...Will the Green Bay Packers and Packer Nation ultimately suffer at the expense of Mike McCarthy's ego and personality?

Time responds to most questions.

[woodbuck27]

http://www.espn.com/blog/green-bay-p...-alex-van-pelt

Aaron Rodgers' new QB coach faces challenge of following Alex Van Pelt

Rob Demovsky ... ESPN Staff Writer

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The question (s) I propose:

A.) Did Packer HC Mike McCarthy upgrade at the QB Coaching level Vs possibly scapegoating on former Packer QB's Coach Alex Van Pelt and ultimately downgrade (at QB Coach)?

B.) Looking at the BIG PICTURE...Will the Green Bay Packers and Packer Nation ultimately suffer at the expense of Mike McCarthy's ego and personality?

Time responds to most questions.

I thought I read/heard somewhere that it was Van Pelt who decided to let his contract run out and it was he who wanted to seek a higher offensive position elsewhere and not McCarthy.

[Smidgeon]

Offensively, we have to get back to what we were doing in ’11.

It wasn't just us who thought the offense got more tepid after 2011.

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All the world wanted McCarthy to clean house until he let four coaches go and then he was scapegoating. Same complaints after 2008. McGinn was aghast no one appeared in the press room to explain themselves. I think he came close to predicting McCarthy would have trouble securing quality assistants after that betrayal.

As usual, he was full of it. It doesn't make the new hires better, but it was still probably time.

I like the swap of Capers for Pettine most. I like Montgomery on the D line next. Like the Patriots guy they got for the LBs. I am nervous but hopeful about Whitt as DB coach/pass game coordinator. He could solve the issues or he could prove to be part of the problem.

The offensive changes look like treading water to me. Maybe Philbin had a magic effect before. But honestly the best news is that he is rebuilding his offense from the playbook up.

[Joemailman]

All the world wanted McCarthy to clean house until he let four coaches go and then he was scapegoating. Same complaints after 2008. McGinn was aghast no one appeared in the press room to explain themselves. I think he came close to predicting McCarthy would have trouble securing quality assistants after that betrayal.

As usual, he was full of it. It doesn't make the new hires better, but it was still probably time.

I like the swap of Capers for Pettine most. I like Montgomery on the D line next. Like the Patriots guy they got for the LBs. I am nervous but hopeful about Whitt as DB coach/pass game coordinator. He could solve the issues or he could prove to be part of the problem.

The offensive changes look like treading water to me. Maybe Philbin had a magic effect before. But honestly the best news is that he is rebuilding his offense from the playbook up.

I think he's upgraded both coordinator positions. It's probably the best situation there they've had since Capers' early years here. Quite a bit has been made of Rodgers not being happy with the QB coach change. But there's not really much evidence that Van Pelt was a good QB coach. Rodgers had uncharacteristic bad stretches in 2015 and 2016, And Hundley looked unprepared in 2017. Just because a coach is popular with his players doesn't necessarily mean he's a good coach.

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I think he's upgraded both coordinator positions. It's probably the best situation there they've had since Capers' early years here. Quite a bit has been made of Rodgers not being happy with the QB coach change. But there's not really much evidence that Van Pelt was a good QB coach. Rodgers had uncharacteristic bad stretches in 2015 and 2016, And Hundley looked unprepared in 2017. Just because a coach is popular with his players doesn't necessarily mean he's a good coach.

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