What Does McCarthy Have to Do Next Year to Get A Contract Extension?

[Anti-Polar Bear]

The truth is, McCarthy is a below average coach through and through. If not for a couple of elite QBs, McCarthy would be in Canada today coaching the Redblacks of the CFL.

McCarthy's track record without Favre or Rodgers is abominable to the core of the earth. I mean, McCarthy turned Aaron Brooks into a turnover machine. Shot Alex Smith's confidence. Turned Brian Brohm into Rich Campbell, our Scott Campbell's lil bro. Oversaw Hundley's devolution from an inspiration into a carbon copy of Kizer.

And his Win-Loss record without Favre and Rodgers is an abomination.

If the Packers don't win the SB next season, I'd trade McCarthy to a bottom feeder. The Browns would certainly love to have the highly successful NFL coach.

[woodbuck27]

The truth is, McCarthy is a below average coach through and through. If not for a couple of elite QBs, McCarthy would be in Canada today coaching the Redblacks of the CFL.

McCarthy's track record without Favre or Rodgers is abominable to the core of the earth. I mean, McCarthy turned Aaron Brooks into a turnover machine. Shot Alex Smith's confidence. Turned Brian Brohm into Rich Campbell, our Scott Campbell's lil bro. Oversaw Hundley's devolution from an inspiration into a carbon copy of Kizer.

And his Win-Loss record without Favre and Rodgers is an abomination.

If the Packers don't win the SB next season, I'd trade McCarthy to a bottom feeder. The Browns would certainly love to have the highly successful NFL coach.

We don't want such BULLSHIT as 'any Mike McCarthy' in Canada, as we have enough of that already and Politicians.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

We don't want such BULLSHIT as 'any Mike McCarthy' in Canada, as we have enough of that already and Politicians.

lol

[falco]

Not defending McCarthy, but you don't move on without a succession plan and a solid chance of a good replacement. Better be prepared to roll the dice on the next head coach and take your chances. What percentages of new coaches fail?

This year was a disappointment, primarily because Hundley didn't live up to expectations and the front office went "all in" on his abilities.

We've been in the NFC championship game how many times in the last few years? Seems our defense has been the one to "drop the ball" - no pun intended - pretty much every year except 2010. Acknowledge that the buck stops with McCarthy.

I'm interested to see what a new DC, the return of Philbin, and a new GM - potentially with a new approach to team composition - can do with this roster. I'm open to seeing what McCarthy can do with these new pieces, primarily because I'm not convinced change for the sake of change is a good betting proposition.

[pbmax]

Not defending McCarthy, but you don't move on without a succession plan and a solid chance of a good replacement. Better be prepared to roll the dice on the next head coach and take your chances. What percentages of new coaches fail?

This year was a disappointment, primarily because Hundley didn't live up to expectations and the front office went "all in" on his abilities.

We've been in the NFC championship game how many times in the last few years? Seems our defense has been the one to "drop the ball" - no pun intended - pretty much every year except 2010. Acknowledge that the buck stops with McCarthy.

I'm interested to see what a new DC, the return of Philbin, and a new GM - potentially with a new approach to team composition - can do with this roster. I'm open to seeing what McCarthy can do with these new pieces, primarily because I'm not convinced change for the sake of change is a good betting proposition.

The defense has shit the bed in playoff games, memorably in Atlanta. But they have also held up their end of the donkey several times only to be let down by the offense (Seattle, Arizona, San Fran in Lambeau).

I think Maxie is mostly right, the performance in the playoffs might be the determining factor, rather than the record that gets him there.

[pbmax]

I mean, McCarthy turned Aaron Brooks into a turnover machine.

What does this mean? Brooks was a turnover machine. McCarthy kept that harnessed for almost two seasons before it went truly ugly. Brooks was terrible and McCathy made the best of him.

McCarthy is a Top 10 coach, but his contract circumstances at 1265 don't seem to align with that view.

[hoosier]

What does this mean? Brooks was a turnover machine. McCarthy kept that harnessed for almost two seasons before it went truly ugly. Brooks was terrible and McCathy made the best of him.

McCarthy is a Top 10 coach, but his contract circumstances at 1265 don't seem to align with that view.

I think I agree with the top 10 assessment. But ten years is a long time to be a head coach in the NFL today. Trends change quickly and regimes get stale fast. Even if MM is as good a play caller as there is in the league today, if people have become set in their ways then this might be the one instance in which change for change's sake is desirable.

[pbmax]

I think I agree with the top 10 assessment. But ten years is a long time to be a head coach in the NFL today. Trends change quickly and regimes get stale fast. Even if MM is as good a play caller as there is in the league today, if people have become set in their ways then this might be the one instance in which change for change's sake is desirable.

I strongly doubt a return to form of the 2011 offense for this reason.

[George Cumby]

Deep playoff run saves his job. That’s about it.

[Maxie the Taxi]

I'll judge Stubby more on how he uses the clock and manages the game when it is all on the line in the final seven minutes in the playoff games (as it usually is). If he plays the same old conservative crap as he has in the past, he will be done.

[Zool]

I think Fat Mike needs a deep run because right now he looks like a lame duck coach with a “vote of confidence” from the GM. That’s never a good place to be as a coach.

[pbmax]

I think Fat Mike needs a deep run because right now he looks like a lame duck coach with a “vote of confidence” from the GM. That’s never a good place to be as a coach.

I agree this seems to be the case. He's on a very hot seat.

[3irty1]

I agree this seems to be the case. He's on a very hot seat.

Not so sure the seat is red hot. The man was promoted in the offseason after all. Even if he's not perfect he's got a huge body of work with 12 under his belt and that continuity in Rodgers's last few years is worth a hell of a lot. What people are calling lame duck status might just be a labor dispute about how to extend him after a lousy year of piloting a super bowl favorite into the dirt.

My biggest complaint about MM will always be the comfort with which he'll hold on to poorly performing ideas, players, and staff. Although I have to admit sometimes its a strength as well. Sometimes it looks like stubbornness and other times it looks like loyalty. Either way it shouldn't take years of predictable defensive collapse to get him to go all red wedding on his staff. Time is limited in the NFL and failing fast is a virtue.

I also agree with others that the offense has been showing signs of rot even since 2014 when we had the top ranked offense that year. We started that season with a spell of playing Seattle, New York Jets, and Lions. Remember how bad they looked? That's when I can say the era of having an offense that pretty much automatically puts up 20 were gone. Of all changes we got this offseason maybe Philbin's return ends up being the most impactful.

[Freak Out]

SB win if Rodgers is healthy.

[Bretsky]

Where does MM stand % wise in terms of the Packer coaches ?

[Joemailman]

Where does MM stand % wise in terms of the Packer coaches ?

% of what?

[Bretsky]

% of what?

SORRY...."m talking Win Loss percentage

Where does MM stack with the other top 5 or so coaches in GB ?


MM improved his coaching staff in the offseason
Sounds like he pushed for this GM over Cappie Guy

I don't get the vibe he's in trouble

[pbmax]

MM improved his coaching staff in the offseason
Sounds like he pushed for this GM over Cappie Guy

I don't get the vibe he's in trouble

The changes that were made by Murphy, including extending McCarthy and Thompson one year, all seem to be designed to ease the way to sign Rodgers to an extension.

So McCarthy did have that leverage by proxy.

But coaches who are not in a precarious position do not sign one year deals. It could be that Murphy talked them both into this in order to ease the transition to a new GM, so they could attract good candidates with the promise of total authority. McCarthy might believe he is months away from a big extension himself.

But a one year extension is just one year. How many coaches do you remember doing a one year deal after a long tenure and surviving? He is far more likely to be pushed overboard now than before. The only thing he survived was the initial wave this year.

[Fritz]

The changes that were made by Murphy, including extending McCarthy and Thompson one year, all seem to be designed to ease the way to sign Rodgers to an extension.

So McCarthy did have that leverage by proxy.

But coaches who are not in a precarious position do not sign one year deals. It could be that Murphy talked them both into this in order to ease the transition to a new GM, so they could attract good candidates with the promise of total authority. McCarthy might believe he is months away from a big extension himself.

But a one year extension is just one year. How many coaches do you remember doing a one year deal after a long tenure and surviving? He is far more likely to be pushed overboard now than before. The only thing he survived was the initial wave this year.

A one-year extension means "prove it, and prove it now, buddy." Jim Caldwell got a one-year extension last year, with the expectation that he had to get the Lions in the playoffs AND win a game, or at least be super competitive against what would have been perceived as a better team. An 8-8 record thus did not cut it.

So I think Mikey-Mike IS on the hot seat, and in my estimation he should be. His firing of the DC (with which I agree), but especially the cleaning out and re-arranging of his offensive staff, plus his whining for better talent, amounts to throwing everyone else under the bus. So now that Baby Mikey has gotten all he wanted, he better not have another disappointing season. Do they need to get to the NFC Championship game? Depends. If the team's big guns stay relativelty healthy and the team health overall is decent, then yes. But if big names go down and some position group gets decimated, but Mike sneaks them into the playoffs with a 10-6 but gets beat right away, he might be able to keep his gig.

[Zool]

SORRY...."m talking Win Loss percentage

Where does MM stack with the other top 5 or so coaches in GB ?


MM improved his coaching staff in the offseason
Sounds like he pushed for this GM over Cappie Guy

I don't get the vibe he's in trouble

4th behind Curly, Vince and Homegrown.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s_head_coaches