Official Jordan Love Bandwagon Thread:

[Spaulding]

I have zero confidence in Love. It's his confidence, command in the huddle, the head stuff. Benkhert seems to have all that. And I don't think it can be learned. Kurt is limited but could get us through a year or two.

That's my meaning. The tools aren't the most important thing. I could be wrong on Love, but I've been looking for those so called "intangibles" and I really don't see it with him. So to me, at least Benkhert is a nice safety valve when Love flops.

I respect you're opinion but I feel you need to think longer and harder about even considering Benkhert a starter. He's at best currently a one or two game stop gap and likely that is his ceiling given his measureables, history and projections. Love is clearly the more talented player and was a projected high draft choice. Whether he ever pans out and fills the space between his ears with the needed vision and decision making is obviously up for debate.

It's still way too early to make an accurate assessment of him. Certainly as this season progresses we should get a much better picture of if he's NFL starter material or not.

Lastly, in reference to Tex's comments, rooting against any draft choices success (i.e against Love) is a dangerous slope to start heading down. It reeks of player worshiping versus team loyalty.

[RashanGary]

I have zero confidence in Love. It's his confidence, command in the huddle, the head stuff. Benkhert seems to have all that. And I don't think it can be learned. Kurt is limited but could get us through a year or two.

That's my meaning. The tools aren't the most important thing. I could be wrong on Love, but I've been looking for those so called "intangibles" and I really don't see it with him. So to me, at least Benkhert is a nice safety valve when Love flops.

You’ve seen him play one solid preseason game

[HarveyWallbangers]

I have zero confidence in Love. It's his confidence, command in the huddle, the head stuff.

I feel the exact opposite. I love his calmness in the pocket. He's got swag, and his teammates seem to gravitate to him. Even in the one preseason game, he kept his composure--despite the OL playing poorly in front of him. That checkdown to A.J. Dillon and the pass to Sternberger being two examples. I also liked the way he easily threw "off platform".

My main concern with Love is not arm strength, accuracy, mental aptitude, leadership. It's the fact he has a bit of a windup, and I don't think he's the quickest getting the ball out. Hopefully, he can improve on that.

[call_me_ishmael]

I feel the exact opposite. I love his calmness in the pocket. He's got swag, and his teammates seem to gravitate to him. Even in the one preseason game, he kept his composure--despite the OL playing poorly in front of him. That checkdown to A.J. Dillon and the pass to Sternberger being two examples. I also liked the way he easily threw "off platform".

My main concern with Love is not arm strength, accuracy, mental aptitude, leadership. It's the fact he has a bit of a windup, and I don't think he's the quickest getting the ball out. Hopefully, he can improve on that.

My concerns are accuracy and mental aptitude. I haven't really noticed the slow throwing motion but Byron Leftwich comes to mind lol.

Love has a great arm, but to me from what I've seen it's not very accurate.

But everyone in the NFL has a pretty good arm and is reasonably accurate. The mental part is what separates the backups from the top notch starters.

[King Friday]

Love has a great arm, but to me from what I've seen it's not very accurate.

I think most Packer fans are clueless about the relative accuracy of NFL QBs after watching 30 years of HOF caliber QB play.

[RashanGary]

Harvey, I’ve never noticed a wind up. Favre had a wind up. Love is a little longer. It reminds me of when Brady throws, the motion is just a little smoother and less sudden than Rodgers. But an actual wind up, I don’t see that. A longer, smoother throwing motion though. Just not coming down and around the way you’re saying. It’s efficient but from a longer body.

[smuggler]

Love has a really nice release. It's not as quick as Rodgers, but almost no one in the league can compare with Rodgers in that department.

[Bretsky]

Love has a really nice release. It's not as quick as Rodgers, but almost no one in the league can compare with Rodgers in that department.

I hope I'm wrong but to me Love seems like he'll be a decent middle of the road starter that we spent draft picks about 3 years too early. You don't let AROD walk out the door for this

[Fritz]

I hope I'm wrong but to me Love seems like he'll be a decent middle of the road starter that we spent draft picks about 3 years too early. You don't let AROD walk out the door for this

If this is true - and all of us hope it's not, and that Love Wins, as they say - but if it's true, then the Packers have this season to realize what Love is and to fix their mistake.

But it took me about fifty years to figure out what Love really is, so I'm not hopeful the Packers can learn that in three years.

[call_me_ishmael]

I hope I'm wrong but to me Love seems like he'll be a decent middle of the road starter that we spent draft picks about 3 years too early. You don't let AROD walk out the door for this

Exactly. And if you have a middle of the road NFL starter what are you even doing? You move on every single year until you have a star at the spot or you will win exactly nothing.

[bobblehead]

Exactly. And if you have a middle of the road NFL starter what are you even doing? You move on every single year until you have a star at the spot or you will win exactly nothing.

Just got off the phone with Ozzie Newsome. He disagrees. As does Jim Mcmahon, Mark Rypien, Jeff Hostetler, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, and Nick Foles. I'll throw in Russell Wilson (very over rated). If it wasn't for Tom Brady winning 7 of them since 2003 I could add to that list. Tom is pretty effing good, but honestly its easier when you have the #1 defense every year and play in the AFC East.

[call_me_ishmael]

Just got off the phone with Ozzie Newsome. He disagrees. As does Jim Mcmahon, Mark Rypien, Jeff Hostetler, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, and Nick Foles. I'll throw in Russell Wilson (very over rated). If it wasn't for Tom Brady winning 7 of them since 2003 I could add to that list. Tom is pretty effing good, but honestly its easier when you have the #1 defense every year and play in the AFC East.

Trent Dilfer had a historically good defense. Eli Manning was a very, very good player in his good years - have you forgotten his last name? Flacco also was playing great and was given the biggest contract ever given to a QB after his SB win - showing that he was a top notch QB.

The ones that are successful are outliers. I will die on this hill - if you don't have a top notch QB, you should be moving heaven and earth and cycling through them until you do.

[bobblehead]

Other QBs who made the big game and lost: Tony Eason, Boomer Esiason, Stan Humphries, Neil ODonnell, Drew Bledsoe, Chris Chandler, Kerry Collins, Rich Gannon, Jake Delhomme, Matt Hasselback, Rex Grossman, Colin Kapernick, Jared Goff and Jimmy Garopallo.

I don't consider making it to the Owl as winning exactly nothing. And if thats all that matters I could go on and on about all the great QBs who made 1 or zero Owls.

[texaspackerbacker]

If by that, ya'all mean with a little bit of polish and experience, he could be an average, maybe even slightly above average NFL QB, yeah, I suppose. To me, though, somehow that ain't quite enough. Hell, you could bring back Favre right now, and he'd be that. Aaron Rodgers in his early to mid fifties would probably still be that.

And that doesn't say anything at all about the most important factor of all: attitude/mindset/whatever not to throw interceptions. You would think Love would have a healthy dose of that by now after watching Rodgers for a year plus, but no. He put it up for grabs and threw one, and very well could have had one or two others last Saturday.

Trade Love to some team that would be satisfied with a QB of that level - get a 4th, 3rd, or if we're really lucky maybe a 2nd round pick, and just ride Rodgers as long as possible.

[HarveyWallbangers]

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[George Cumby]

Good watch, Harv.

I see what you mean about his throwing motion, it's fast, but it's loopy.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I thought Love’s arm talent was what I expected. He had a lot of good moments. He threw with timing and anticipation. Good footwork. All of that was maybe better than expected. He threw off platform. The negative was the two panicked throws. Hopefully, those are just rookie mistakes. When he played on schedule from the pocket, he looked calm. When things went sideways, he okay in the first game and awful in the third game. Lots of guys go through that—Favre, Manning, Allen. Overall, I was relatively encouraged. I think most outside of the Packers fans that didn’t like the pick feel the same way. We have a great situation at QB and RB. Probably the best depth chart in the league at those two positions. The pass catchers look strong. OL is encouraging, if Bakh comes back soon. I feel better about the DL, worse about the OLBs. Depth at CB (after the first 4) is disappointing. Safeties were mostly solid. Not sure how to get a read on the ILBs. Barnes looked good. Campbell didn’t play. McDuffie has his moments. Wilborn too.

[smuggler]

Gannon was an MVP and Boomer Esaison was a damn good player.

[texaspackerbacker]

All of that is great if you like a flash-in-the-pan/boom or bust team like most of those QBs played on. I prefer a consistent winner like what we've had for going on thirty years with Favre and Rodgers. I'll take that over say for example, 5 or 6 SB winners in 30 years along with 10-20 losing records.

CMI, I agree with your post except the part about Eli, who I never considered more than mediocre.

[scharpcheddar]

Is that they choke in playoffs consistently