Cap is probably gonna go up another 20M next year if not more. Saul goodman.
They'll resign Gary. I am not as high on him as some peeps. I hope he can become a superstar. Right now I fear he's gonna get a superstar contract and just not be that.
Cap is probably gonna go up another 20M next year if not more. Saul goodman.
They'll resign Gary. I am not as high on him as some peeps. I hope he can become a superstar. Right now I fear he's gonna get a superstar contract and just not be that.
He'd get a lot on the FA market if they don't extend him. GB's pass rush was actually much worse without him.Originally Posted by call_me_ishmael
For the kind of money he's going to get, you'd like to see him set an edge much better than he does. He's like Z Smith that way.
"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
KYPack
I disagree. One of the things that has impressed me has been his ability to set an edge. I think he has become a top 5 well rounded "big edge".
I don't hold Grudges. It's counterproductive.
He has the ability to set the edge. But this year, like Z, he wasn't always where he was supposed to be on run plays.
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Agree he can set the edge, it's a matter of doing it consistently. There were times both he and Preston sold out on the pass rush and guessed wrong, letting someone run right through the area they should have been.
That's partly coaching and partly player execution. I'd like to see a little more discipline by the defense -- there was too much freelancing, bad communication, and penalties.
Gary's gotten better at edge-setting, but I don't think it will impact his ability to get a big contract. He's a crazy athlete who can rush the passer. Now I don't think he's worth Top 5 money, but he's worth Top 10 money given his age, production, and work ethic.
So does Harvey Korman:
"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
KYPack
Wow. Who knew that Harvey Korman, in a movie rated PG, would be age-restricted by YouTube? Wow.
"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
KYPack
On a serious note, the weird penalties, especially on defense, tell me there's a lack of discipline. Rasul walking up on that FG and then retaliating & Quay getting ejected in Week 18, Quay two other times (BUF, and MIN games) as well. Not playing your called coverage right, poor run defense fits, keeping Savage & Lowry out there when struggling. Don't feel like there's enough accountability either. I put that on the coaches as much as on the players.
Margin for error is small -- look at what the penalty on Ossai meant for CIN. I don't feel like this team is sharp enough to avoid those or overcome them. Maybe they come back in 2023 with better discipline, poise, and tackling, but I'm not holding my breath.
Kids these days just don't understand humor.
How do you know that the Edges where actually the Force player or the Edge setter on certain plays? They could be playing a spill technique or there could have been a gap exchange going on with the edge and possibly the LB or even the safety. Roles and jobs responsibilities change based on play calls and offensive formation.
Geezuz, Nutz, you remind me of Patler here, trying to inject a knowledgeable post that asks people to consider the reality of the situation.
What the hell is wrong with you? If I say Gary sucks at setting an edge, then it must be true, because I think it's true.
You and your damn facts.
"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
KYPack
Fair question. There were numerous instances of Gary rushing upfield and the offense just running right at the vacated area. Maybe there's supposed to be someone filling in or rotating and they are either blocked or not executing. Maybe it's a shitty play call by the DC. It's happened enough with Gary where it would be quite the coincidence if that were the case.
The regression of Campbell and Walker being a rookie certainly contributed to run issues. There were a lot more missed tackles this year which is a problem -- a defense that can prevent yards after contact is more likely to force a punt and get off the field.
Agree, we can't always know. But sometimes I can watch a play unfold and see what a player is trying to accomplish to understand his responsibility on a given play. Once upon a time I said my big fear was that Gary would be really good at whatever he was told to do, but not be able to transition (for instance, setting the edge, but then pushing to a rush when the QB dropped back). He is actually better at it than I ever thought he would be. I think he is a fantastic player. Better than I dreamed him becoming. I also have always been a huge Mike White fan for developing 3-4 OLB. We missed him last year already.
I don't hold Grudges. It's counterproductive.
Gary sets the edge fine a lot of times. When he doesn't, it's a matter of scheme to go all out on pass rush with somebody else responsible for the edge. I think Z. Smith got burned a lot more often than Gary on the edge, maybe because he freelanced sometimes when he shouldn't have. Ultimately, it probably comes back to Barry in almost all cases.
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Sign Gary to a contract, get a TE in FA like Evan Engram, Add a WR like Jakobi Meyers, DT in the vein of Rankins. Lets go all the hell in, restructure everyone and get ready for cap hell in three years
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So if this is the list of "his guys" that Favre - err, Rodgers - wants back, which ones are most important to him, and which would he be willing to play without? (I'm not including Bakhtieri because he's under contract and I'm pretty sure the Packers are bringing him back no matter who the QB is going to be):
Tonyan
Lewis
Lazard
Cobb
Here's what Rodgers said to McAfee a few weeks ago:
“This game is about relationships,” Rodgers said. “It’s about the guys you rely on, even if they don’t show up huge in the stat book. A guy like Marcedes Lewis, he’s an important cog in the wheel of the locker room and the momentum of the team. That’s a guy I want to finish my career with, you know? If I’m playing, I want that guy next to me. I want the Randall Cobbs of the world, if he wants to keep playing, in my locker room. Guys you can win with. Allen Lazard, Bobby Tonyan..."
So of those four, who are the Packers most and least interested in retaining? Your guesses and thoughts?
"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
KYPack
First off, you explain to Sharon that we are not longer going to choose his "relationships" over the best interest of the Packers
COBB............NO
Tonya...........YES if on the Cheap (which is likely)
LEWIS...........UNLIKELY
LIZARD.........ONLY if it's cost effective. Some think he's getting north of 10 MIL...HARD NO then
LIFE IS ABOUT CHAMPIONSHIPS; I JUST REALIZED THIS. The MILWAUKEE BUCKS have won the same number of championships over the past 50 years as the Green Bay Packers. Ten years from now, who will have more championships, and who will be the fart in the wind ?
Cobb's contract was for that, but they redid it by adding void years. So he's a FA who will be counting against the cap in future years. He's not worth bringing back unless it's as you say -- for a vet minimum as your emergency WR6 type. He can field punts but aside from that doesn't give you much else. I could see them easily going with a rookie R7 WR pick who can return punts and play more teams instead. Cheaper and more upside, and less likely to get injured. Love Cobb but he can't stay healthy.Cobb has, I think, a contract for $6 or 7 million.
Agree they could stand to draft a TE and another WR.
Lazard the most. Cobb the least.
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