Off-season 2023 Banjo

[run pMc]

What team without a rookie contract QB isn’t in cap hell right now?

Define cap hell.

Broncos, Colts, Lions, Cardinals, Ravens, Seahawks, not sure about Falcons or Commanders. Those are some of the teams below the cap to start 2023.
Even if you're a team above the cap by ~$5M you can probably gain that space by cutting an underperforming player or restructuring/extending a player's contract without too much pain. It's when you've done that with all your possible contracts and you are still right against the cap now and likely over again in the next year that you run into problems.

TT was pretty good about keeping the team in good shape with the cap. I have to wonder if this is Murphy pushing to keep the team together more than Gute or MLF.

[run pMc]

I still say Myers is the best player in the current O Line, and he is about as good as Linsley was when he demanded too much money and was let go, and the proof of that is the excellent inside running game the Packers have had the past couple of years.

And I will say you are wrong. Josh Myers was NOT the best player on the OL last year. You can say PFF grades suck, but Bakhtiari graded out at 79.8, Jenkins at 72.3, Njiman at 63.1, Runyan at 62.6, Myers at 60.4. It sounds like PFF graded out the OL the exact opposite from you. He ranked at 26th out of 36 Centers who started at least 4 games.

Oh, and Corey Linsley? Linsley graded out at a 74.

The eyeball test also showed Myers was inconsistent -- some good along with some bad. For a big guy he struggled with power and got worked over pretty good (if not embarrassed) by NTs at times. They ask him to do a lot and he's a good athlete, but he struggled, and I think they will bring in competition. Rodgers was saying Linsley was a Pro Bowl C in his rookie year; he cusses out Myers. If Myers doesn't get it together this year it might look like a bad pick considering Creed Humphrey was there.

Consider Zach Tom got a 68.4 grade, Royce Newman a 57.5 and you'll get a better idea of where Myers is.

[bobblehead]

Define cap hell.

Broncos, Colts, Lions, Cardinals, Ravens, Seahawks, not sure about Falcons or Commanders. Those are some of the teams below the cap to start 2023.
Even if you're a team above the cap by ~$5M you can probably gain that space by cutting an underperforming player or restructuring/extending a player's contract without too much pain. It's when you've done that with all your possible contracts and you are still right against the cap now and likely over again in the next year that you run into problems.

TT was pretty good about keeping the team in good shape with the cap. I have to wonder if this is Murphy pushing to keep the team together more than Gute or MLF.

He should have been more specific. Name a team without a rookie contract QB that doesn't suck and isn't in cap hell. And just for reference the Ravens QB WAS on a rookie deal and currently counts for ZERO against the cap.

[call_me_ishmael]

Define cap hell.

Broncos, Colts, Lions, Cardinals, Ravens, Seahawks, not sure about Falcons or Commanders. Those are some of the teams below the cap to start 2023.
Even if you're a team above the cap by ~$5M you can probably gain that space by cutting an underperforming player or restructuring/extending a player's contract without too much pain. It's when you've done that with all your possible contracts and you are still right against the cap now and likely over again in the next year that you run into problems.

TT was pretty good about keeping the team in good shape with the cap. I have to wonder if this is Murphy pushing to keep the team together more than Gute or MLF.

I think it’s as simple as then wanting to keep the window open as long as possible after 2 straight NFCC appearances and coming off the first MVP year. I don’t think there is any long term risk. Whenever they cut over to the next QB they will pay the piper for a year and suck and then get some high picks and money to get right back to where they belong if the QB is capable.

The year the team stunk when cutting over the Rodgers gave them the studs the helped them win the SB two years later. I love that plan personally.

[run pMc]

And just for reference the Ravens QB WAS on a rookie deal and currently counts for ZERO against the cap.

Ah, for some reason I thought he was on the franchise one-year deal and they were threatening to do it again. I'm a year early.

[Fritz]

And I will say you are wrong. Josh Myers was NOT the best player on the OL last year. You can say PFF grades suck, but Bakhtiari graded out at 79.8, Jenkins at 72.3, Njiman at 63.1, Runyan at 62.6, Myers at 60.4. It sounds like PFF graded out the OL the exact opposite from you. He ranked at 26th out of 36 Centers who started at least 4 games.

Oh, and Corey Linsley? Linsley graded out at a 74.

The eyeball test also showed Myers was inconsistent -- some good along with some bad. For a big guy he struggled with power and got worked over pretty good (if not embarrassed) by NTs at times. They ask him to do a lot and he's a good athlete, but he struggled, and I think they will bring in competition. Rodgers was saying Linsley was a Pro Bowl C in his rookie year; he cusses out Myers. If Myers doesn't get it together this year it might look like a bad pick considering Creed Humphrey was there.

Consider Zach Tom got a 68.4 grade, Royce Newman a -57.5 and you'll get a better idea of where Myers is.

Fixed that for you.

[Joemailman]

Jimmy in Philly. Why did GB not make the call? Flower is a good coach but won’t be great if he won’t try to get incremental

https://www.reddit.com/r/GreenBayPac...tm_name=iossmf

Leonhard not being hired by Philly.

[call_me_ishmael]

Kinda odd. I wonder what actually transpired in those conversations. I don't get it to be honest. You have all the money in the world - generational wealth - why would you want to uproot your kids so you can work 12 hours a day?

[bobblehead]

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/202...-with-broncos/

This probably belongs in the ex packers thread, but I'll appropriately call it "Less Banjo"

[call_me_ishmael]

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/202...-with-broncos/

This probably belongs in the ex packers thread, but I'll appropriately call it "Less Banjo"

Wow, that is super great. 10 year career for a guy like that is hella impressive. Scrappy, tenacious dude to say the least.

[bobblehead]

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[Joemailman]

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[Fritz]

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/202...-with-broncos/

This probably belongs in the ex packers thread, but I'll appropriately call it "Less Banjo"

The threa was named after this guy, so it's entirely appropriate here.

[call_me_ishmael]

Packers are 17th in cap space.

https://twitter.com/wendellfp/status...15772881444865

[Fritz]

Wow. I am under the impression the Packers are frantically kicking every can they see down the road to try to get by this year. So does that mean there are another fifteen teams or so that are worse off than that?

[Joemailman]

Wow. I am under the impression the Packers are frantically kicking every can they see down the road to try to get by this year. So does that mean there are another fifteen teams or so that are worse off than that?

Yes. https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space

[texaspackerbacker]

Wow. I am under the impression the Packers are frantically kicking every can they see down the road to try to get by this year. So does that mean there are another fifteen teams or so that are worse off than that?

No no no. The Packers are just cruising along, doing what needs to be done for short term deadlines, etc. The cap can always be defeated. As the chart shows, almost half the league is worse off than the Packers on the cap, many MUCH worse, and many are worse off for dead money, and trust me, ALL of those will field at very least a moderately competitive team. The other thing to notice from that chart is that the teams in "cap heaven" - seemingly best shape cap-wise - are for the most part, the current and/or perennial losers in the league. Be careful what you wish for, ya'all cap worry worts hahahahahahaha.

[run pMc]

https://twitter.com/KenIngalls/statu...CxobOR5J0tAAAA

Ken Ingalls - Packers Cap 💰
@KenIngalls
Between 2021 & 2022 the Green Bay Packers pushed $34.2M of salary cap costs into the 2023 league year.

So far, with 3 restructures pushing 2023 expense into 2024-2027, the Packers have cleared $27.9M of space.

$6.3M to go just to clear the cost of going for it the past 2 years.
9:04 PM · Feb 25, 2023
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[Sparkey]

The big IF with pushing money to future years is: IF WE DRAFT WELL......

Because you will need to find exceptional talent on cheap early contracts to minimize the impact to the depth of the roster as it will be harder and harder to fill spots with veterans and/or extend the guys you have.

[Fritz]

The big IF with pushing money to future years is: IF WE DRAFT WELL......

Because you will need to find exceptional talent on cheap early contracts to minimize the impact to the depth of the roster as it will be harder and harder to fill spots with veterans and/or extend the guys you have.

This be a good point.

That chart Joe posted would take some studying. The Chiefs, for example, have very, very little dead money - you'd think that's a good thing - yet they are beneath the Packers in cap space. So do they just have a lot of active players they are paying a lot of money to? And the Iggles - lots of dead money there, so how'd they pay to have a Super Bowl team this year?