Damn Red...were you eavesdropping from the foxhole next door?Originally Posted by red
Damn Red...were you eavesdropping from the foxhole next door?
I don't hold Grudges. It's counterproductive.
I just got out of a 4 day Darkness
I visualized what it would be like to watch another fuil year of Aaron Rodgers and then I visualized what it would be like to watch a full year of Jordan Love as our QB
I FEEL AT PEACE !
LIFE IS ABOUT CHAMPIONSHIPS; I JUST REALIZED THIS. The MILWAUKEE BUCKS have won the same number of championships over the past 50 years as the Green Bay Packers. Ten years from now, who will have more championships, and who will be the fart in the wind ?
So are you at peace because they're both fine options? Or because there's nothing you can do to affect how it goes down?
Or because you just watched some of your favorite porn so now you're relaxed?
"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
KYPack
Laugh all you want. The fellow who is a huge Packers fan, persisted and was able to hang out with the Packers at their hotel when they went to London and he spent some time with Gute in a friendly chat and asked him what he'd do about the contract. I have no reason to doubt his word.
Really. Fans make more out of the cap than GMs. Gute has publicly stated that the cap is not as big a deal as fans make it to be.
So you think Gutes is ready to move on?
"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
KYPack
I'm at peace, beca8use on one hand I saw AROD taking us to 11 wins and shitting on himself again in a second half playoff game to leave us all in turmoil again
Then I saw, Jordan Love develop and lead us to 8 wins but give us hope
And rather than get frustrated with either situation, then I watched porn because reality is we're not winning the Big Show either way next year.
LIFE IS ABOUT CHAMPIONSHIPS; I JUST REALIZED THIS. The MILWAUKEE BUCKS have won the same number of championships over the past 50 years as the Green Bay Packers. Ten years from now, who will have more championships, and who will be the fart in the wind ?
LISTEN to what is being said and compare last year versus this
Last year Gute was giving Aaron handies and offering up anything and everything he could to bring him back. Pretty sure MM and MFL were doing the same for AROD
This year Gute has a completely different tune. He's more than fine if 12 moves on, he might even want that. And if 12 returns he wants him back under only his conditions. Attend the OTA's, come back in football shape, and don't leverage GB to signing any of the chronies at all. And by the way, 12 has been fired in his role as Assistant GM, because, to be frank, he sucked as the Assistant GM last year.
This whole thing is so interesting. What if AROD wants to come back and wants to come back to GB, on the terms that are in the best interests that Gute deems for the GB Packers.
I wonder if Gute would even believe he's that dedicated anymore.
And we don't hear much from MM and MLF. It's quite possible Gute is the only one who wants to move forward with the Love Machine.
And everybody thinks 12 is going to play; but by not talking is he trying to leverage his buddies coming back; because I think Gute's views on that are different from last year.
Gute seems like he's stronger this year; realized last year was a complete f'cking wreck and he wants to take the power back. It's all interesting
LIFE IS ABOUT CHAMPIONSHIPS; I JUST REALIZED THIS. The MILWAUKEE BUCKS have won the same number of championships over the past 50 years as the Green Bay Packers. Ten years from now, who will have more championships, and who will be the fart in the wind ?
New whispers - that Carolina is at least asking about Rodgers's availability and the cost to have him in terms of draft picks.
As others have stated, the Pack might not get as much for Rodgers as we think; he's basically a one- or two-year rental for whomever gets him. At this point, it's as much about breaking away from him as it is about the compensation. They won't give him away, naturally, but I won't be surprised if it's nothing more than say a second rounder, or conditional picks based on how much Rodgers plays or how long or both.
"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
KYPack
There were reports Carolina has contacted Packers about Rodgers. And reports refuting those reports. So who knows?
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack, a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
Only the Shadow knows what evil lurks in hearts of men.
But Rodgers leads the league in frumpy expressions and negative body language on the sideline, which makes him, like Josh Allen, a unique double threat.
-Tim Harmston
They only want one voice commenting. No more multiple, possibly conflicting responses.
I suppose if nobody really knows but Gutekunst can use the uncertainty to drive up the price, then good.
After all our speculating it'd be funny if Rodgers just decided to retire.
If he really is going to emulate Favre, though, he'd need to retire, then hem and haw and decide to unretire, and THEN get traded to the Jest.
"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
KYPack
Based on what Gute said at the combine, definitely. I also think McGinn's report probably has some truth to it. Imo, the time to move on is now: they are in rebuild mode.
(Not based on the chat in a London bar: Gute just needs to have contingency plans, and his comments revealed just that, nothing much. Just confirmation that cap is not as big a deal as folks make it.)
When Gute said on Tuesday "All options are on the table", he was really saying they're open for business re Rodgers. The question is how much of a market there is. Take everything you hear right now with a grain of salt.
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack, a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
Do you really think Gooter was talking with the general population at some pub in London? I don't believe that for a second. That'd be like seeing him at a bar in Charlotte on game weekend. Extraordinarily unlikely. It's not like the team is hanging out in London for the week. It's all business and it's a very short trip.
Gute might have been here.
The next day, Saturday, Oct. 8, the main pep rally will take place in the early afternoon, hosted by Green Bay native and Emmy award-winning sportscaster John Anderson. The event will feature Packers alumni Marv Fleming, LeRoy Butler, Nick Collins and James Jones, as well as Packers President/CEO Mark Murphy, who will stop by to visit with fans and discuss the next day's game.
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack, a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
I agree on the grain of salt. BUT, Gute imo gave huge indications.
It was other comments by Gute that were really eyebrow raising. lol: asked if Gute wante AR back, he hesitated and didn't answer straight but said he has to make sure AR is "the right fit." If that was not ALL we need to know, he has said on Jordan: "I'm excited to see Jordan to play and grow and I certainly expect that to be here." But if Jordan is ready this year and needs to play and also Jordan will be doing it in GB, that doesn't leave any room for AR.
I'm the biggest AR fan, but I do think it's in his best interest and the team's for him to move on.
Again, I have no reason to doubt it. He was at the team's hotel. After being turned away the first night, he was allowed in the second and spent time with a number of players and coaches at the bar. Nothing remarkable imo. The entire account and interaction at the other forum, really leave no doubt he was telling the truth.
I'm taking your reply with a grain of salt.
Some of the stuff Jaire is posting does make sense - it sure does seem like Gutes (and thus the organization) has eased off on the whole "we really really want Aaron back here" stuff from last year. Even seems a slightly different tone than just after the season, as you point out above.
Rodgers didn't sound, in that podcast, that he was super excited about starting over somewhere else, but at the same time, I think he's conscious of not wanting to be unwilling to try new things in life. Who knows?
As a Packer fan, my hope is that he wants to play - somewhere else. My hope as a Packer fan is that the Packers get as much as they can in return. Rodgers was a great, great quarterback, and we were blessed to see him in green and gold for so long. But I'm just ready for the next thing now. I'm a little tired of the annual hemming and hawing - it's natural, I'm sure, as it would be to anyone who is contemplating retirement - but I'm still tired of it as a fan. I'm also excited to see what Love can do. I've heard that Love is powerful and can change people's lives.
"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
KYPack
I meant "Grain of salt" in terms of comments about how much if a market here is for Rodgers. For instance, I'm not totally buying the reports that the Raiders aren't interested. I do buy the comments that the Jets are interested. The Jets owner, who likes to get involved in football operations, has made it clear he thinks all they need is a vet QB. And he was the owner when they traded for Favre.
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack, a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
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