WHAT IS GUTEBAG'S BIGGEST MISTAKE/S SO FAR AS OUR GM ????

[Bretsky]

i struggle with my own poll

And I almost added making Bach the highest paid in the NFL as option 5

I agree that drafting Love was our 1st and 4th rounder was a huge mistake and had we stayed put and drafted Tee Higgins it might have means another championship

Also think not resigning Devante when he still wanted to stay in GB was a huge mistake. Many in the know blame Gute for not offering the 2MIL more per year to get it down. In the end, one year later, Devante got a lot more. Rodgers or not, with Adams leaving and Gutebag's failure to get another legit talent at WR to go with Devante screwed us royally last year

But in the end, while I feel the two above points are were serious fuck ups (one could add not ever getting a legit #2 WR in the poll as well), when Aaron turned KAREN we had a huge opportunity to get a kings ransom from Denver.....the motherload of all f'ck ups was not trading Karen Rodgers, and instead giving him a ridiculous deal for the "Green Bay Packers' that we will regret for years and years to come. And we gave him that AFTER Devante left, when we had no real chance at a championship anymore anyways. We overestimated our own talent, ignorantly thinking bringing a Karen back could take us the the Big Show without the WR that helped him shine

[King Friday]

The failure to me is twofold. Losing Adams and choosing to keep Rodgers was beyond dumb. The GM should’ve made sure he had both onboard when Rodgers was given the massive extension. Otherwise, it should not have been signed. The Packers had struggled to get over the hump with Adams. The team had no chance without him.

If there was no way to keep Adams, then Rodgers should’ve been traded.

[run pMc]

I don't think it was a mistake drafting Love, it likely lit a fire under Rodgers and led to 2 years of MVP play.
I have said several times they needed to draft a QB eventually, I just felt they took one a year too early. I wanted a WR that draft. Trading up for Love meant they had to give up a R4 which resulted in them taking Deguara a round early (at least). Not great, but they have a succession plan from Rodgers.

The biggest error was giving up power and that structure of the contract extension -- the longer it goes, the more expensive it gets. Many contracts have decreasing cap hits as they go... this one increases and paints the team into a corner. That's bad cap management.
Maybe that's on Russ Ball or Murphy and not Gute.

Gute's made plenty of mistakes, but he's done some good things too.

[texaspackerbacker]

Do you seriously think THAT - to light a fire under Rodgers - was the reason they drafted Love? Seriously? Granted, it seemed to work out that way, but an NFL executive thinking like that? Come on, man hahahahaha.

The contract was DESIGNED to assure that there would be such a big price to pay for either Rodgers or the team if Rodgers left that it wouldn't happen - the reason I did then and still do call it a Glorious Contract. If he continues to play for the Packers (still doubtful, I suppose) and that contract is part of the reason why, then anybody calling himself a Packer fan will be thankful. If he goes, either by trade or retirement, it's doom and gloom for all of us who claim to be Packer fans.

"Many contracts have decreasing cap hits as they go" - that's just factually wrong. Almost all have a small hit at the beginning with a big load at the end which is expected to result either in a restructure or a cut.

[run pMc]

Lighting a fire under Rodgers was NOT the reason they drafted Love, but it was the result.

Slight clarification to earlier comment: The cap hit (savings) improves as a contract goes on, even if the cap space used for the contract that year goes up. It's usually because signing of prorated bonuses and how that money hits in year 1 vs. Year 3 vs. Year 5.

In fact, Rodgers contract is so bizarre that several people have written in-depth articles explaining it, and they agree it's bad for the team's cap. What contract do you know of causes a 99M cap hit?

[Harlan Huckleby]

Lighting a fire under Rodgers was NOT the reason they drafted Love, but it was the result.

It was a routine move that every other NFL GM would have done.

Tex was right that Love is not likely to be as good as Rodgers, a hall of famer. so what

[texaspackerbacker]

Picking Love, even trading up for it was not a huge mistake because Love is crap - he may be, or he may be good. The reason it was a huge bad move is that it triggered the whole shitstorm of events we see nowadays. And as I said, as Harlan said, and probably some others who aren't totally out of it also know, Love's absolute ceiling is nowhere near as good as the average of Rodgers' years in his career, maybe not even to the level of Rodgers' "bad" years like last year.

IF Rodgers is indeed gone - hopefully not but probably yes, and iF people are willing to settle for that level of a replacement, then whatever. Love probably ain't complete crap. He might be fairly good, but that plus everything else adds up to what I consider mediocrity for the foreseeable future.

I'd rather have several more years of greatness with Rodgers at QB. It's downright weird how so few of ya'all don't see it that way.

[RashanGary]

You’re not one of the good, normals Tex. You’re an odd ball with odd ball ideas!

[texaspackerbacker]

You’re not one of the good, normals Tex. You’re an odd ball with odd ball ideas!

Where does that come from? Have you checked comments in other forums or Facebook or Yahoo articles or just talked to people in general about Rodgers and if he is gone? It's a lot more like 50/50 or more outside of this forum - where inexplicably, the haters, etc. are close to 100%.

[run pMc]

Where does that come from? Have you checked comments in other forums or Facebook or Yahoo articles or just talked to people in general about Rodgers and if he is gone? It's a lot more like 50/50 or more outside of this forum - where inexplicably, the haters, etc. are close to 100%.

Maybe in TX, not in WI
I've heard it's more like 70/30 in favor of a Rodgers trade. Murphy was getting a lot of "when?" questions he had to shut down on his Tailgate Tour; there wasn't much trade-hate out there.

[run pMc]

I'd like several more years of greatness with Rodgers at QB.

Except he almost retired or demanded trades the last 3 years, and even Woody Johnson is scared he's only playing one more year... so the "several more years" part is wishful thinking. There's a better than 50/50 chance by Rodgers own admission (if we believe him) that he's done after this year. He's 39, even he doesn't think he has several more years. I don't know why you do.

The "greatness" part might also be wishful thinking, if you watch the last 21 games of Rodgers tape. The moments of greatness are fewer and fewer. That, combined with his cost, are why people don't see it the way you do.
($60M for 8-9 or 10-7 and a WC loss? yuck.)

[sharpe1027]

If Rodgers couldn't handle that a rookie QB, unproven but with some upside, came into camp and that caused all this...where to begin?

[RashanGary]

If Rodgers couldn't handle that a rookie QB, unproven but with some upside, came into camp and that caused all this...where to begin?

Yep

[NewsBruin]

An undervalued first-round pick drives the gripey veteran to New Jersey...man, we need better writers.

[Deputy Nutz]

I try to take things for face value, so when Rodgers says he intends to play for the Jets in 2023 I believe that is his intent.


Also when it come to Rodgers, I can't put it all on the shoulders of Gute. I think a lot of this falls on Murphy and Russ Ball. You know, the triangle of sadness.

[Fritz]

I try to take things for face value, so when Rodgers says he intends to play for the Jets in 2023 I believe that is his intent.


Also when it come to Rodgers, I can't put it all on the shoulders of Gute. I think a lot of this falls on Murphy and Russ Ball. You know, the triangle of sadness.

And of coure the very existence of said "triangle of sadness" (great description) falls on Murphy.

[texaspackerbacker]

I'm tempted to just settle for your 70/30 figure, because it's a lot worse for the side of Good in here hahahaha.

I'm not talking about TX. The only Packer fans I know here are relatives, and of course, they are pro-keeping Rodgers. I'm talking primarily about the "groups" in Facebook that pop up in my FB - "Diehard Packer Fan Group", "Green Bay Packer Fans", "Wisconsin Sports 24/7 Group", etc.

[Deputy Nutz]

I'm tempted to just settle for your 70/30 figure, because it's a lot worse for the side of Good in here hahahaha.

I'm not talking about TX. The only Packer fans I know here are relatives, and of course, they are pro-keeping Rodgers. I'm talking primarily about the "groups" in Facebook that pop up in my FB - "Diehard Packer Fan Group", "Green Bay Packer Fans", "Wisconsin Sports 24/7 Group", etc.

All those groups sound horrible.

[texaspackerbacker]

All those groups sound horrible.

Most of their articles are in fact pretty horrible - not much different from any other media crap. I was referring, however, to the comments, likes, etc. from people reading them.

These as well as the also horrible articles in Yahoo and other venues - the comments by people and thumbs up or down, etc.

All of those comments and reactions by regular people have been pretty well mixed, a very decent percentage pro-keeping Rodgers along with, of course, ignorant shitheads who want him gone with the subsequent long period of mediocrity or worse.

[sharpe1027]

There was a online poll I saw from a Wisconsin television station about Rodgers saying he intends to play for the Jets with about 1000 responses. It was something like 60% just glad it was over, 35% very happy and 5% upset.