Official Training Camp Thread

[run pMc]

I'm told Stokes' injury was actually very serious - I guess a Lisfranc is worse than an ACL? Either way, he was in a wheelchair in January, running and tackling at full speed might take a minute.

The depth chart stuff after a week or two of camp is a little bit of fan service IMO, it's going to change a lot once the preseason games (and injuries) happen. Hollins is a pretty good OLB 4 or 5, it's no secret why they cut Garvin and Hamilton.
Deguara is hurt right now but they've had Pearson in as FB all camp. They don't really have another player who can take that role at the moment. Musgrave, Kraft, and Davis don't really fit the FB/HB mold.

Myers has had some bad snaps and Tom has started to take snaps at C. Myers needs to step it up. You can't have bad snaps. I am holding out hope that he figures it out and wins the starting job, so Tom can play RT. I think he's best at T but could see him succeed at C as well. Myers, Tom, and Njiman are basically fighting for 2 starting spots on the line.

Bahktiari was back at practice yesterday. They will do whatever they need to do to keep him healthy for the season. He's a better LT than Tom or Njiman. He probably doesn't need that much practice time, but it helps with a new QB and to stay in game shape.

[call_me_ishmael]

Man, what a kick in the Pants 2011 and 2014 were. You always think you're gonna get another one, but this team got so close so many times but never did. I can't help but feel that TT and now Gooter never went all in and that is why they never got over the line. Hard to believe that we got a total of two wins in ~30 years of top 10 QB ever play.

[run pMc]

Nearly 26% of their salary cap this year is dead money - they did try to go all in. The TB loss in 2020 and 2021 SF mess were the unfortunate results. It takes more than cap spending to win. 2014 showed you need luck too.

[Fritz]

I'm told Stokes' injury was actually very serious - I guess a Lisfranc is worse than an ACL? Either way, he was in a wheelchair in January, running and tackling at full speed might take a minute.

The depth chart stuff after a week or two of camp is a little bit of fan service IMO, it's going to change a lot once the preseason games (and injuries) happen. Hollins is a pretty good OLB 4 or 5, it's no secret why they cut Garvin and Hamilton.
Deguara is hurt right now but they've had Pearson in as FB all camp. They don't really have another player who can take that role at the moment. Musgrave, Kraft, and Davis don't really fit the FB/HB mold.

Myers has had some bad snaps and Tom has started to take snaps at C. Myers needs to step it up. You can't have bad snaps. I am holding out hope that he figures it out and wins the starting job, so Tom can play RT. I think he's best at T but could see him succeed at C as well. Myers, Tom, and Njiman are basically fighting for 2 starting spots on the line.

Bahktiari was back at practice yesterday. They will do whatever they need to do to keep him healthy for the season. He's a better LT than Tom or Njiman. He probably doesn't need that much practice time, but it helps with a new QB and to stay in game shape.

I think with Deguara they're reclassifying him because he really is a fullback and not a TE, in terms of what he does. Pearson has also distinguished himself there; maybe they're going to go back to a fullback position as part of the offense, officially. Though I don't expect either one to get an William Henderson-type plays in which they actually carry the ball from a handoff.

I am wondering if part of the hesitancy with puttin Tom at center when Myers has not been good this camp comes from the desire to let Nijman settle in as a left tackle and not having him have to swing. He seems uncomfortable going back and forth - I've read that he struggled to adapt to the right side (or was it the left?), so maybe he's just not as adaptable going back and forth. Just speculation on my part. But Myers is not having a good camp - not just the lousy snaps, but lots of push from the defensive line through the middle - and it'd seem a no-brainer to put Tom there, especially as Guter, I think, said he things center is Tom's best position.

[Upnorth]

Man, what a kick in the Pants 2011 and 2014 were. You always think you're gonna get another one, but this team got so close so many times but never did. I can't help but feel that TT and now Gooter never went all in and that is why they never got over the line. Hard to believe that we got a total of two wins in ~30 years of top 10 QB ever play.

The cap issues from the last 2 years were a result of Gute going all in... Im glad they didnt go further because Love would not be given a fair chance at evaluation this year with a handicapped team.

[texaspackerbacker]

Thats sounds ok to me. I'd rather see Musgrave, Kraft, and Davis (in that order) ahead of him at TE anyway. Just leave Deguara as the Fullback, but don't have a fullback on the field for very many snaps.

Myers has had "bad snaps" with two QBs after hardly any last season ...... and nobody is thinking it might be on the QBs?

[Joemailman]

Thats sounds ok to me. I'd rather see Musgrave, Kraft, and Davis (in that order) ahead of him at TE anyway. Just leave Deguara as the Fullback, but don't have a fullback on the field for very many snaps.

Myers has had "bad snaps" with two QBs after hardly any last season ...... and nobody is thinking it might be on the QBs?

Packers have used 4 different QB's, but all the bad snaps have happened with 1 Center - Myers.

[Upnorth]

Packers have used 4 different QB's, but all the bad snaps have happened with 1 Center - Myers.

I hadnt heard of snap issues with magoo or etling, just love and clifford. However, i have no firm info either way. Just that the bulk have been with love, but some are with a different qb. To me that says centre issue. Plus a quick google search from myers and 2022 gave me a headline of 12 chewing him out for a bad snap. So it is a multi year issue it looks

[Joemailman]

I hadnt heard of snap issues with magoo or etling, just love and clifford. However, i have no firm info either way. Just that the bulk have been with love, but some are with a different qb. To me that says centre issue. Plus a quick google search from myers and 2022 gave me a headline of 12 chewing him out for a bad snap. So it is a multi year issue it looks

It might have been just with Love and Clifford. My point was when all the bad snaps are with the same Center, the problem is likely the Center. Guys other than Myers have been snapping too, with no problems.

It's too early to bury Myers, but it's hard to make the argument he's one of the Packers top 5 OL right now.

It's not like he's coming off a stellar season.

Wendell Ferreira
@wendellfp
#Packers offensive linemen PFF grades:

David Bakhtiari 79.8
Elgton Jenkins 72.3
Zach Tom 68.3
Yosh Nijman 63.1
Jon Runyan 62.6
Josh Myers 60.4
Royce Newman 57.5
Jake Hanson 47.2
5:31 AM · Jan 18, 2023
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[texaspackerbacker]

So that's how many bad snaps out of how many? Does this include every play in practice? Every hand off, every pass in passing drills? I would think there would be a helluva a lot - probably more in an hour of practice than the total snaps in several games. And lack of concentration is a poor excuse - you practice like you play, but undoubtedly it does exist in a lower pressure situation.

Bottom line: keep Myers at #1 Center- Period.

[bobblehead]

Right now the packers have a "big 4" OL. Then they have 2 guys battling for #5. I know at this point everyone knows this, but it needs framing.

I am torn because Yosh has come so far I want to see him play, but Tom is so good I don't want to make him a center unless Yosh were to REALLY step up and make for a dominant 5. I can't see that because Yosh has some limitations in the run game. He can create lanes just with his size and positioning, but in short yardage he will never knock anyone back. Bak is the same way, so if they are your starting bookends you will always have an issue in short yardage. Your almost limited to running right up the gut or play action. Creativity can solve some ills for sure.

I go back to the way I would play it as GM. I would trade Bak, start the next 5 and see where it cracks going into the next draft. If its Myers you can enter the next draft looking for best OL available because you have so much flexibility with Tom and Jenkins. If its Yosh at LT then you look for that next big thing at LT. If its both, then the entire discussion was irrelevant anyway.

[run pMc]

There are 60-80 plays in a game, depending on TOP, pace, run vs. pass, overtime, etc. That would be a lot of snaps in an hour of practice.
Either way, one bad snap can cost you a game. You wouldn't expect a top 75 pick with 23 games of experience to be having issues snapping the ball.

That aside, I would be curious to know if the bad snaps were in shotgun vs. under center. I know at least one was out of shotgun, which is odd. Supposedly Love has been under center more than Rodgers was (the thumb played into that, as well as preferences) and that might be part of it.

I don't think Njiman is the long-term answer at T, he's a meh starter but good as a backup/swing tackle. Bahktiari is a better T than Njiman, but his knee makes his availabilty a question. It's kind of a mess. If they get some kind of jump from Caleb Jones or Rasheed Walker then maybe you can get away with trading one (or both) of them, but I'd bet Gute is planning on keeping both Bahk and Njiman this year with a first year starter at QB. OL looks like a relative strength, might as well lean into it this year.

As for Tom, I think he could excel at C, but I also feel like T is a more valuable position and if he can play well there to keep him there. It's easier to find a starting C than a starting caliber T. I suppose if they really mean what they say about playing their best five, it could mean Tom is the C and not Myers.

I like Myers and am hoping he works through all of this. He's a big dude and super athletic for his size, he needs to put it together. GB asks tough things of a C -- like pulling or reach-blocks -- that most teams have their G's do because their C's can't. They took him over Creed Humphrey because they thought he could do that stuff and wasn't Humphrey's style/would struggle with it. Myers is still on the young side and has only played 1.5 seasons, but this year will tell us if he's a keeper or not.

[Joemailman]

Matt Schneidman
@mattschneidman

Love went 3/5 passing in first 11-on-11s against Bengals D. Nice quick slant to Samori Toure for a substantial gain, nice completion to FB Henry Pearson on the right side, another nice gain to Watson on crosser over middle. Last throw was underthrown bomb to Doubs incomplete.

Paul Dehner Jr.
@pauldehnerjr

Session of 11-on-11 between Bengals O and Packers D dominated by Green Bay.

Nothing of note outside of one pass to Tyler Boyd up the seam and a nice run by Joe Mixon.

Otherwise a struggle to find any space or success in the pass game.

Ryan Wood
@ByRyanWood

Ten-yard TD pass for Jordan Love in back, right corner end zone to Christian Watson. Watson beat Bengals CB Cam Taylor-Britt to the corner, and Love didn’t miss.

Wes Hodkiewicz
@WesHod

Carrington Valentine now with two PBUs in red zone. He’s outside corner. Jaire practicing but not in team

Ryan Wood
@ByRyanWood

Bengals CB Mike Hilton picks a Jordan Love pass from the 3-yard line. #Packers had bunch left on the goal line, and looked like Hilton jumped a screen pass off the jump. Took it the other way. Young QB sold on a route before the snap.

Ryan Wood
@ByRyanWood

Jordan Love finished 5-8 for roughly 32 yards, 2 TDs and INT in red-zone period. Hit Watson on corner route from 10-yard line on one TD. Threaded a pass to Jayden Reed for 5-yard touchdown on stop route in right seam on other.

Lone pick on screen to the left from 3.

Matt Schneidman
@mattschneidman

🚨FIGHT🚨

Multiple swings thrown. I saw Elgton Jenkins in there. Runyan and Doubs were on the ground. Didn’t see Bengals in the mix but the skirmish lasted a while.

Ryan Wood
@ByRyanWood

Jordan Love drops a 51-yard TD to Romeo Doubs down right sideline on 3rd & 6 against Cam Taylor-Britt. Didn’t miss that deep ball. Let Doubs run under it, and he did the rest.

Matt Schneidman
@mattschneidman

Elgton Jenkins vs. D.J. Reader in a scuffle now with the play far away.

Jenkins swings at Reader’s head and connects.

Jenkins is out of the drill now. OL coach Luke Butkus escorts him out.

.

[Joemailman]

Seems like Doubs had a good day.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1689362669453651969

[Joemailman]

Bill Huber
@BillHuberNFL

Defense wins 2-minute. Offense gets a long FG try from Carlson but he’s short from somewhere around 58-60.

Ryan Wood
@ByRyanWood

Jordan Love was 4-7 in 2-minute drill, one incompletion a clock kill. Had Romeo Doubs deep down right side vs. Sidney Jones IV, but Doubs couldn’t bring it in. Not a bad ball.

Love hit Samori Toure for first down in deep in route, converting 3rd & 3. Otherwise, lot of checks.

Rob Demovsky
@RobDemovsky

Both defenses for GB and CIN win 1s vs. 1s two-minute drill.

Anders Carlson short on about a 58-yard FG.

Bengals’ O ran out of time.

Carlson goes 7 for 10 on kicks today. Long make was from 51. Also missed from 56.

That’s it for the joint practice after 2hrs and 6mins

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[texaspackerbacker]

Good Reading. I'm getting hopeful Love is gonna be all right, and I'm . Glad to read the D was decent, but this probably wasn't against anything complicated or spphisticated that might trip up Barry. Jury is still out on the kicker, but reason to hope.

"Matt Schneidman
@mattschneidman

Elgton Jenkins vs. D.J. Reader in a scuffle now with the play far away.

Jenkins swings at Reader’s head and connects.

Jenkins is out of the drill now. OL coach Luke Butkus escorts him out."


I doubt our guy with the last name, Butkis, was telling Jenkins to back off and be gentle hahahahaha.

[ThunderDan]

Good Reading. I'm getting hopeful Love is gonna be all right, and I'm . Glad to read the D was decent, but this probably wasn't against anything complicated or spphisticated that might trip up Barry. Jury is still out on the kicker, but reason to hope.

"Matt Schneidman
@mattschneidman

Elgton Jenkins vs. D.J. Reader in a scuffle now with the play far away.

Jenkins swings at Reader’s head and connects.

Jenkins is out of the drill now. OL coach Luke Butkus escorts him out."


I doubt our guy with the last name, Butkis, was telling Jenkins to back off and be gentle hahahahaha.

That media sucking puke!!!! How can you read that shit and think it is real!!!

[run pMc]

That media sucking puke!!!! How can you read that shit and think it is real!!!

LOL funny!
Seriously, Schneidman is pretty good.

The Bengals didn't have Burrow, and without him their offense sounded like it was pretty inept. I'm not sure how good of a measuring stick it is for the defense. I don't think GB's defense is bad, but I'm still waiting to see if it's good.

Sounds like the OL had some trouble with Reader and Hendrickson, but I know they were rotating guys and had a couple of the 2nd stringer OL in there with Love for a bit. Sean Rhyan has been getting some positive reviews in camp which is nice to hear.

The book on Doubs is that he has trouble with press, I wonder if he looks great in camp/practice because he sees less of it then vs. games? I know some have commented his release looks better, so maybe he'll be able to fight press this year. It's common for young WRs to struggle with it. Speaking of common issues with young WRs, I'm a little concerned with all the drops by the receivers. I think they'll eventually figure it out, but it may take a year or two. Drops are usually a fixable issue. Love's not the most accurate guy, but it also sounds like some of his on-target throws have been dropped.

[texaspackerbacker]

That media sucking puke!!!! How can you read that shit and think it is real!!!

They don't do too bad a job when they stick to the facts and leave their God damned speculation and opinions out of it. Nobody should get paid for that shit - they're no better at it than any of us.

[QBME]

They don't do too bad a job when they stick to the facts and leave their God damned speculation and opinions out of it. Nobody should get paid for that shit - they're no better at it than any of us.

We sometimes don’t agree on stuff, but on this we are totally aligned