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    Bach’s current contract is 5 years $102M.

    Cap hit per year
    20 - 16.2 M
    21 - 10.9 M
    22 - 13.8 M
    23 - 21.3 M
    24 - 40.6 M

    This is what happens to contracts when you “cook” the cap. 21 and 22 look good but 24 is a complete dead weight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThunderDan View Post
    Bach’s current contract is 5 years $102M.

    Cap hit per year
    20 - 16.2 M
    21 - 10.9 M
    22 - 13.8 M
    23 - 21.3 M
    24 - 40.6 M

    This is what happens to contracts when you “cook” the cap. 21 and 22 look good but 24 is a complete dead weight.
    Moral of the story: it ain’t ever wise to overpay a Yokozuna. See the contracts of Albert Haynesworth, Cletidus Clark and the Iranian Stallion (Bak) for examples.

    (Aside: Where the fuck was Clark when the Pussies of Detroit were running the rock up and down the A and B gaps where Clark supposedly roam? Oh right, he was seen running to the bank to deposit his fat check.)

    Bak ain’t counting $40 M against the Packers cap in 24. Either the Packers will cook the cap again and lower the number, or more likely, they’ll terminate the contract and eat up “only” 19M in “dead” cap, which has already been accounted for, so it ain’t a big deal. The Packers can always cook the cap further if they need that 19M so baldy to sign, say, Mike Evens.
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    Yeah bobble. But if he can’t pass a physical, they have to pay him his base. Just don’t know if that counts on the cap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RashanGary View Post
    Yeah bobble. But if he can’t pass a physical, they have to pay him his base. Just don’t know if that counts on the cap.
    I don't think this is the case. The season he was injured in they would have had to pay the base. But if they waive him this off season he is shit out of luck, unless I'm wrong or it changed. NFL contracts are not locked in all the way thru under any circumstances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobblehead View Post
    I don't think this is the case. The season he was injured in they would have had to pay the base. But if they waive him this off season he is shit out of luck, unless I'm wrong or it changed. NFL contracts are not locked in all the way thru under any circumstances.
    Ken Ingalls on Twitter is pretty knowledgeable. He’s right about 100% of the time. He says Bakh can get big parts of his base through injury grievance if we cut him injured next year.
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    He can qualify for an Injury Protection Benefit for up to two years. It would pay out the guaranteed portion (not necessarily the same as the reported number due to complexity of the contract), but I think the cap hit is capped at less than $2M. The rest is not counted against the salary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharpe1027 View Post
    He can qualify for an Injury Protection Benefit for up to two years. It would pay out the guaranteed portion (not necessarily the same as the reported number due to complexity of the contract), but I think the cap hit is capped at less than $2M. The rest is not counted against the salary.
    Thanks!!!

    Ken Ingalls is presenting it differently at Twitter, but I’ve never seen a big injury cap situation so what you’re saying makes so much more sense to what is happening.
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    TD is saying it doesn’t count on the cap, but my cap expert won’t weigh in and I haven’t seen enough of TDs cap expertise to know for sure if he’s 100
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    Injury grievance is only for the same season the injury occurs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharpe1027 View Post
    Injury grievance is only for the same season the injury occurs.
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    From Ken Ingalls

    If the Packers cut David Bakhtiari before he passes a physical, he

    1⃣At a minimum qualifies for Injury Protection - $1.230M cap in 2024.

    2⃣Can file an Injury Grievance for his 2024 salary of $21.5M - $8.6M (40%) hits 2024 immediately with the balance reconciled upon settlement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RashanGary View Post
    From Ken Ingalls

    If the Packers cut David Bakhtiari before he passes a physical, he

    1⃣At a minimum qualifies for Injury Protection - $1.230M cap in 2024.

    2⃣Can file an Injury Grievance for his 2024 salary of $21.5M - $8.6M (40%) hits 2024 immediately with the balance reconciled upon settlement.
    I read the CBA just now, but am not an expert. It is complicated. It might actually be limited to around $2M total compensation.

    If in the 2021 League Year the player’s Paragraph 5 Salary equals $3,000,000 and player’s Injury Protection Benefit payment equals $2,000,000 (representing the maximum payment under Section 3(a) above), the first $1,200,000 would be charged to Team Salary, and the remaining $800,000 would be treated as a Player Benefit Cost, as indicated in the “2021” column of the above table.

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    I don't think you can cut an injured player without an injury settlement.

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    Okay, looking close, the first $2M or so if guaranteed money gets treated as Injury Benefits, according to the breakdown I have above (it changes slightly from year to year).

    The rest is probably just straight dead cap. I haven't found any exceptions to that. Teams and players are free to negotiate for settlements, but I think that's the starting point.

    It's too complex for me to be certain.

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    I believe P5 is the minimum salary for that many years of service.

    Funny enough, Bahk is earning a lowball (possibly vet minimum) salary this year, in exchange for converting salary to signing bonus (just like we did for #12).
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    Quote Originally Posted by NewsBruin View Post
    I believe P5 is the minimum salary for that many years of service.

    Funny enough, Bahk is earning a lowball (possibly vet minimum) salary this year, in exchange for converting salary to signing bonus (just like we did for #12).
    I think it's more than just that. The injury benefits section refers to guaranteed salary under paragraph 5, which on a quick read is more than just the minimum.

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    I trust you on that. I saw P5 mentioned recently as the minimum salary, but it probably is more than just vet minimum.
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