Official 2023 Bury Joe Barry Thread

[Joemailman]

The thing with Leonhard though is that he's never coached in the NFL. Yes, I know LaFleur reportedly offered him the job once. But that was when LaFleur was in a very strong position coming off 2 straight 13-3 seasons and nearly taking the team to the Super Bowl. This year he may be coming off 2 straight losing seasons and will know he needs to get this right to assure his own future. I just think he's going to want someone with NFL experience. Not an experienced mediocrity like Barry. He won't go that route again. But a guy who has built a solid reputation with his work in the NFL. I think a guy like Al Harris would have a better chance than Leonhard. We'll see.

[Bretsky]

The thing with Leonhard though is that he's never coached in the NFL. Yes, I know LaFleur reportedly offered him the job once. But that was when LaFleur was in a very strong position coming off 2 straight 13-3 seasons and nearly taking the team to the Super Bowl. This year he may be coming off 2 straight losing seasons and will know he needs to get this right to assure his own future. I just think he's going to want someone with NFL experience. Not an experienced mediocrity like Barry. He won't go that route again. But a guy who has built a solid reputation with his work in the NFL. I think a guy like Al Harris would have a better chance than Leonhard. We'll see.

I too would be surprised if he went back to JL after he turned the job down initially. I don't think Leonard even knows what he wants. Before JL had all the control. This time, I think to him to have a shot he'll have to pursue the job and he's still pretty jilted by UW and unsure of the route he wants to go.


I haven't followed AL Harris much; what is his pedigree (besides Tank pimping him for a while, which kinda scares me) ?

I'd love to see a guy like Brian Flores or Vic Fangio; not pursuing them last year was Flower's motherload of F'ck ups. Rarely do you have "2" guys of the pedigree available.

I could embrace Saleh. Does Al Harris have this type of pedigree yet ?

[Fritz]

I too would be surprised if he went back to JL after he turned the job down initially. I don't think Leonard even knows what he wants. Before JL had all the control. This time, I think to him to have a shot he'll have to pursue the job and he's still pretty jilted by UW and unsure of the route he wants to go.


I haven't followed AL Harris much; what is his pedigree (besides Tank pimping him for a while, which kinda scares me) ?

I'd love to see a guy like Brian Flores or Vic Fangio; not pursuing them last year was Flower's motherload of F'ck ups. Rarely do you have "2" guys of the pedigree available.

I could embrace Saleh. Does Al Harris have this type of pedigree yet ?

I think a lot of posters here are saying they're tired of retreads, in large part because those retreads mostly come from the same coaching tree/scheme, and that scheme is being unmasked by Kyle Shanahan and other offenses across the NFL.

As Bobble said, it's about finding someone who's figuring out how to counter what offenses are doing in 2022, not running a defense that worked three or five years ago. Someone who can also adapt based on his defensive talent, playing to strengths and covering weaknesses. Not someone who just runs "The Scheme" over and over.

This is where you wish you could listen in on the interviews and hear which guy is that guy, the one who's thinking ahead, the smart one who has a vision of his own and can communicate that vision to his players (ah, there's that "communication" word).

Al Harris would be a great story - as long as he's not the Bart Starr or Forrest Gregg of defensive coordinators.

[Joemailman]

I too would be surprised if he went back to JL after he turned the job down initially. I don't think Leonard even knows what he wants. Before JL had all the control. This time, I think to him to have a shot he'll have to pursue the job and he's still pretty jilted by UW and unsure of the route he wants to go.


I haven't followed AL Harris much; what is his pedigree (besides Tank pimping him for a while, which kinda scares me) ?

I'd love to see a guy like Brian Flores or Vic Fangio; not pursuing them last year was Flower's motherload of F'ck ups. Rarely do you have "2" guys of the pedigree available.

I could embrace Saleh. Does Al Harris have this type of pedigree yet ?

Not sure how highly Harris is regarded. He was asst. DB coach for 6 years in Kansas City under Andy Reid. Reid was his head coach during his playing days in Philadelphia. The entire Chiefs defensive staff was let go following the 2018 season after losing 37-31 to the Patriots in the AFCCG. He was hired by Mike McCarthy in 2020.

[Fosco33]

The thing with Leonhard though is that he's never coached in the NFL. Yes, I know LaFleur reportedly offered him the job once. But that was when LaFleur was in a very strong position coming off 2 straight 13-3 seasons and nearly taking the team to the Super Bowl. This year he may be coming off 2 straight losing seasons and will know he needs to get this right to assure his own future. I just think he's going to want someone with NFL experience. Not an experienced mediocrity like Barry. He won't go that route again. But a guy who has built a solid reputation with his work in the NFL. I think a guy like Al Harris would have a better chance than Leonhard. We'll see.

I just think of all of the defensive talent that he and others developed at UW. He makes the most out of the team.

Is he innovative enough to counter the latest offensive trends - I don’t know. But it’s been a long time since the Defense led this team despite getting the full tilt on draft capital.

As usual - it’ll probably be someone we’ve never heard of that worked w/ MLF in the past that he trusts.

I do think JL is a strong NFL DC candidate though and it seems like a good fit for both sides.