Lafleur said the staff would stick together after the game. Not directly about Barry, but in general. I don’t think he’s going anywhere.
Lafleur said the staff would stick together after the game. Not directly about Barry, but in general. I don’t think he’s going anywhere.
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I don't see a change now. This team can win with Barry. I just wish it didn't feel like he is a pile of bricks in their backpacks they need to overcome.
Yeah. I don't have any faith that if GB is up 2 or 6 points late in a game they can stop a team. Barry's defenses are a little too soft/passive for my tastes, but I'm not the coach.Originally Posted by sharpe1027
Supposedly more aggressive defenses (like what Flores ran in MN) are going to become the new hot thing. More pressure and deception, less sit back with bend/don't break stuff. We'll see how that works out.
It seemed like Barry got a lot smarter late in the season. More likely, he overcame stubbornness after being told shape up or ship out, and did a few things he previously hadn't wanted to do.
Given that LaFleur likes Barry and things did get better late in the year, I think he stays. Hopefully he doesn't backslide to his old ways next season. As was said, we can win with him, and the continuity probably is a good thing.
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Just like last year.
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If he isn't extended within 2 weeks it means they are looking at alternatives
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You have to do better than Barry. His track record during his career speaks for itself. He doesn’t command championship caliber defenses. If you want to win a title, he’s not the guy you want helming the defense. The last few years bear that out entirely. He’s not the worst defensive coach ever, but his defenses almost always fail to hold the lead. You need to find someone who can…at least some of the time.
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i think its gonna be tough to get rid of him after the last few weeks
agree
LIFE IS ABOUT CHAMPIONSHIPS; I JUST REALIZED THIS. The MILWAUKEE BUCKS have won the same number of championships over the past 50 years as the Green Bay Packers. Ten years from now, who will have more championships, and who will be the fart in the wind ?
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The Niners were 10 of 16 converting third downs. That is bad, regardless of how the defense played otherwise.
And they let SF walk down the field with little resistance at the end, when it counted
If the Packers want to host playoff games and have a real shot at a title, get rid of the guy who has a track record of mediocrity.
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Agree. SF was converting a lot by catching the ball 2-3 yards short of the sticks and just breaking a tackle if someone was there or just running for it when there was a space cushion.
Also, I'm starting to wonder if the 'bend but don't break' model needs to be reconsidered, or at least modified. Teams go for it on 4th and 2 a lot more than they used to; even if a Barry defense tackles someone short of the sticks on 3rd down they usually give up the conversion on 4th.
I like the Fangio scheme and all, but I wonder if it's been figured out and being the creator Fangio is best position to adapt it well. You pretty much have to get a team into a 4th and 5 situation to force a punt, that's not BDB and probably something more exotic than sitting back in a reactive zone.
Barry gets some credit for coaching with his back against the wall, but it seems like this is a recurring theme: defense looks bad until end of season when everyone is fed up and he pulls out some good defensive games. If he can only do it from Week 13 on, what do you do for the previous 12 weeks?
When they draft a CB or S in R1 and Barry comes back only and we see a Keystone Kops defense, are we going to roll out the "8 1st rounders on defense WTF" thing again? I don't think they lack talent except at safety, and maybe corner (depending on health) but this defense has not performed up to its talent, and coaching is where people are going to look. Better defenses have worked with less than what GB has.
Not at all. You just ask Barry to come in for a meeting, and you say "Joe, we're going in a different direction with the defensive coordinator position."
That's not hard at all.
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I have resigned myself to having Joe Barry back next year. MLF is too stubborn to make the change. I don’t think he sees the big picture surrounding the defensive performance over the last 2 years.
Crazy idea - I wonder if Pete Carroll would be willing to coach D for a couple years.
Nah, let's get belichek.
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Bottom line is, we can win with Barry - maybe a little more stressfully, but we can still win with him.
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I sincerely doubt at 72 Pete is gonna get another chance to HC, and he still wants to coach. I think he is a terrific defensive mind.
Kinda wonder if Harbaugh moves on we could snag his DC. Although he may want to take him with him.
Who are the up-and-comers. I want somebody that's gonna play Ravens style aggressive-as-hell.
Pete is under contract and working in the offices at Seattle. Probably emptying waste baskets and such.
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Quick housekeeping note: Joe Barry’s contract is NOT expiring, according to a source. Matt LaFleur has yet to make a decision on the future of his defensive coordinator, but it would be a firing and not a decline to renew if he moves on from Barry.
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Yeah I just saw this and thought ah shit, they misled us all along.
https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2...barry-contract
He's probably coming back. Crap.
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