In defense of Barry, Riddler is actually a sophomore.Originally Posted by Freak Out
In defense of Barry, Riddler is actually a sophomore.
I'm not going to stop the wheel. I'm going to break the wheel.
My bad. Still a horrible job. D needs to step it up with the #1 WR and RB gonzo.
C.H.U.D.
This offseason Gute made a point of saying expectations were high for the defense this year, given the talent and draft investments made there the last X years. In fact, he said it several times.
I think that's more than fair for him to expect. I also think it publicly put Barry on notice that his job is very much on the line.
Firing your DC every other year is a bad look and will scare away prospective coaches, so I can see having some patience. Firing him now would be a weird look also - they've allowed 45 points over 2 games. They'd have to pay out the rest of his year AND find a replacement. Good luck with that. Nobody is going to be able to come in and institute a new scheme mid-season.
Barry wasn't a good hire to begin with (imo) and I don't think many outside the building were that surprised that the team has largely underperformed.
They'll let his contract lapse, bring in someone better (presumably can't do much worse) and hope they can get more out of the talent than Barry has.
I don't root against Barry or wish him ill. I just think he was a bad hire and I haven't seen enough to convince me otherwise.
As for drafting, based on the way the team has played I think top 10 pick would be a mild disappointment. I think they'll be picking between 10 and 18. (That would imply having between 7 and 9 wins.)
And pretty much all of Packerrats never understood the pick of Barry to begin with, so it's not like we're all reacting in hindsight. Just a terrible decision by MLF from the jump. It almost seems to me like MLF made a panic pick. He got fed up with Pettine and fired him. Then, Jimmy L turned him down. I don't know if he really had a plan B at that point and just went................Oh fuck!!!
Evero was available, and several of us here were advocating for him. So he was a known possibility. MLF just made a poor choice.
I have been calling the FBI to see if they would raid Joe Barely's house, like they did the Bears' D-coordinator's house, but so far, no soap.
"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
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Matt Canada got fired mid season from the Steelers as OC.
Just sayin…
He was the best OC I ever witnessed for the Badgers. SO creative and innovative at a time when offenses were bland
LIFE IS ABOUT CHAMPIONSHIPS; I JUST REALIZED THIS. The MILWAUKEE BUCKS have won the same number of championships over the past 50 years as the Green Bay Packers. Ten years from now, who will have more championships, and who will be the fart in the wind ?
Didn't he put up 200 on the ground against Joe just a couple weeks ago??
I don't hold Grudges. It's counterproductive.
45 games of Matt Canada in PIT, 0 games of 400 yards of offense or more. Every other team in the league had at least 4 in that time.
Canada wasn't getting the job done.
Joe Barry have actually had a few good moments, but they are outnumbered by the bad. He's been given a lot of defensive talent and they are repeatedly ranked in the 20's. I think they should move in a different direction at end of season.
I'm just getting into the forum after the game, so I haven't seen other posts yet, but I would think some of the heat may be off of Joe Barry. I still probably would prefer a different DC for the Packers, but I'll give Barry credit for putting together a decent D game plan today and doing so without a lot of first string personnel.
What could be more GOOD and NORMAL and AMERICAN than Packer Football?
One game against a real D does NOT excuse nearly 25 games of blowing chunks.
Part of me wonders if he schemed better and played more aggressively because of all the young players in the lineup due to injuries. If so, he is an idiot for not playing his best schematic football at all times.
I don't hold Grudges. It's counterproductive.
I grudgingly must give Barry credit for the job the defense did in Detroit. He had a second-string secondary and the Lions only scored 22. That’s a good job, like the guy or not.
But like you, I did wonder where the hell this scheming has been all year long. So I agree with your post.
"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
KYPack
His tendency is to play cautious, but he's shown the ability to come up with aggressive game plans. Maybe MLF needs to carry a whip to coaches meetings.
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He also put up a monster effort in the playoff game against SF when our ST allowed a blocked punt to lose it. He has had a few inspired efforts, but again, I can't get behind keeping a guy based on a good game here and there. Coaches preach "consistency" and rightly so. The plays where Myers gets blown up, and the lapses Yosh has tend to kill entire possessions. The game plans Barry has put together have lost us games. If they can demand it of the players we can demand it of the coaches.
I don't hold Grudges. It's counterproductive.
The defense looked better in some ways but they still gave up 460 yards. Forcing turnovers and actually stepping up on 4th downs made the difference. An improvement, but not so dominant that it makes Barry look that great.
Fire Murphy, Gute, MLF, Barry, Senavich, etc!
My prediction before the game in one of these threads was that Love would be more good than Barry's D was bad. That pretty much came true, although the D was at least a little better than the worst it has been. I'm gonna double down and predict something similar against the Chiefs, although Mahomes' mobility will be a helluva lot harder to deal with than piece of crap Goff.
What could be more GOOD and NORMAL and AMERICAN than Packer Football?
It's weird that he only seems to scheme aggressively when pushed to do so by MLF or by circumstance, yet it generally seems to work.
Is it NOT being conservative, though, when he finally, finally lines up lots of big bodies instead of playing the dime when it's third and two? I'm confused about that bit of it.
"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
KYPack
Barry is slow to adjust, but he will adjust. I'll give him that. They played surprisingly well vs. DET and looked like an inspired defense. I wonder how much of that was Rashan Gary playing out of his mind. He was very emotional for this game and is widely viewed in the locker room as being an emotional leader, so maybe that gave them a little extra fire today. The Week 4 whipping probably had something to do with it too, along with DET being national writer darlings.
There are whispers that the Fangio defense is being figured out by teams, and that many teams who have adopted it aren't successful because you really need specific playmakers to make it go. I suppose that's why Staley looked great with Aaron Donald and Jalen Ramsey.
I'm not convinced the way Barry calls the defense is smart given the Lions and Bears are run-heavy offenses. Why would you trot out 2 DL and leave the C uncovered to run up and block your ILB? That's just asking to get run off the field. I understand the idea is to make the other team walk down the field by playing soft zone and keeping things in front of you, but GB doesn't tackle well and can barely hand off covering routes that cross from one player's zone to another.
I am starting to have serious concerns Barry will be brought back. He seems tied to MLF's hip and the fact that they have held a lot of team's garbage offenses to 20 points or less is going to be a selling point. They still allow a lot of rushing yards and are a middle of the road defense statistically, and that's after playing bad-to-middling teams like CHI, DEN, LV, and ATL.
Our D looked good against detroit for 2 reasons. We did use 3 down linemen most of the game. We also played with a lead and forced a running team into passing situations. Clark is still good at pressuring the QB when he isn't getting gashed for 10 yard runs because his only one of two down linemen. Gary was in absolute beast mode. Let me see them slow down KC before I get too excited.
As I have said many times, its symbiotic. When the offense keeps the D fresh the D looks better. When the D gets stops the offense plays with more confidence. When you complete passes it opens the run, and vice versa. On and on it goes.
I don't hold Grudges. It's counterproductive.
I really wish he’d play three down linemen more often. He did though at least play to Jonathon Owens’s strength by putting him in the box. The guy tackled well. He probably couldn’t defend my mom on a pass route, but he seemed good against the run that day.
"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
KYPack
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