Not sure how highly Harris is regarded. He was asst. DB coach for 6 years in Kansas City under Andy Reid. Reid was his head coach during his playing days in Philadelphia. The entire Chiefs defensive staff was let go following the 2018 season after losing 37-31 to the Patriots in the AFCCG. He was hired by Mike McCarthy in 2020.Originally Posted by Bretsky
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack, a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
I just think of all of the defensive talent that he and others developed at UW. He makes the most out of the team.
Is he innovative enough to counter the latest offensive trends - I don’t know. But it’s been a long time since the Defense led this team despite getting the full tilt on draft capital.
As usual - it’ll probably be someone we’ve never heard of that worked w/ MLF in the past that he trusts.
I do think JL is a strong NFL DC candidate though and it seems like a good fit for both sides.
Just knowing Al Harris I just believe he is gonna be a dawg and be an exceptionally aggressive coordinator.
I went back on the thread posts and didn't know where exactly where to pick it up.
In any case....
I put my alleged mind to it and tried to remember any former NFL player that returned to his former team as a coach and was even respectable.
As noted earlier, for the Packers failed tenures are Bart Starr and Forrest Gregg.
After some rumination I can only come up with:
George Halas - yeah maybe a stretch but he did play for the Decaurter Staleys then bought them, moved to Chicago started the NFL and the freakin'n Bears became a power house.
Art Shell - Oakland Raiders - Never won an Owl, pretty damn successful.
Tom Flores - Oakland Raiders....IBID
Some of the um, more experienced posters here will probably come up with other examples (PB Max where art thou?) but letting fanboy shit get in the way makes no sense.
Mike Ditka
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack, a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
Curly Lambeau. Maybe Dick LeBeau - I can't remember where he coached, but he played in Detroit, for one.
"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
KYPack
Surprisingly, LeBeau never coached the Lions. If coordinators got in the HOF, he might be in for coaching as well as being in as a player.
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack, a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
Maybe we should keep barry. He was just named the nfc offensive player of the week.
(Stole this from reddit)
All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force.
George Orwell
LOL
Well after playing Barry's defense, DeVito won the honor, and Baker probably will
Al Harris and his DB's for the Cowboys are indeed aggressive. Trevon Diggs last season and Daron Bland this year occasionally get beat, but they have been hellaciously good at jumping routes and getting pick sixes. They are good Corners, but I don't think they are THAT good. Scheme/coaching has something to do with it.
What could be more GOOD and NORMAL and AMERICAN than Packer Football?
Al Harris is not the answer at this point.
He’s a better answer than Joe Barely.
"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
KYPack
HOFer
i don't know if al is the point or not, but i's rather give a young guy with the hope of him getting better a chance over a guy who we know is gonna continue to suck because he has always sucked no matter where he's been
Was listening to Andy Herman and Justis Mosqueda tonight. Justis believes Barry can still save his job. Herman doesn't. But Justis said "Joe Barry is just a vehicle for the kind of defense that Matt LaFleur wants to run." If that is true, doesn't seem he'd be looking to Al Harris. Evero or Staley would be better fits who came out of the Fangio tree. Maybe a guy like Leonhard who came out of the Rex Ryan/Pettine system. Justis mentioned Leonhard and Dave Aranda, who is feeling pressure at Baylor, as possibilities.
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack, a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
OF COURSE he can save his job. Does anybody listen to Flower making excuses for his bestie ? And we play three garbage offenses in a row. Imaging if we hold Carolina to single digits (which we might, and then go beat Minnesots....maybe even Chicago. He could easily be back. LAST Year, the day after the season he noted BarryBall was coming back but they were going to modify the schmes and look to play more pressure/man defense. So he brought a guy back, cause he's soft, who believes in this zone ball, wanting to go more away form the scheme. It makes NO sense
DID YOU KNOW
We have up 190 years passing last week when our CB's playing soft (it was defined, I think, as being 7 yards off the scrimmage.
AND, Baker was 20 fro 23 when we were in zone coverage.
CHEWY was a TON of money partying with friends and placing bet after bet on 2nd and long, 3rd and long..etc...that GB defense would give up the first down. Sounded like fun giving it a try. But he won $$$ betting against our defense all day.
The Embrace the Tank Bus still has a "few" openings for the greater good. We've got cocktails and plent of munchies.
But it'll be full soon and all you wanna be JoeBarry detractors just may need to cheer for him for all of next year as well. f
LIFE IS ABOUT CHAMPIONSHIPS; I JUST REALIZED THIS. The MILWAUKEE BUCKS have won the same number of championships over the past 50 years as the Green Bay Packers. Ten years from now, who will have more championships, and who will be the fart in the wind ?
The ETT is working in the best way possible. Losing because Barry is shit, but Love and the young offense getting better. Its more fun winning, but if we must lose, that was ideal.
I don't hold Grudges. It's counterproductive.
Leonard, Bowles, Saleh. I would be very happy with one of them. I'm sure there are others I'm not thinking of.
I don't hold Grudges. It's counterproductive.
Yeah, I'd be happy with this too. I guess I just don't believe TB is getting fired in Tampa right now since they are rebuilding, and then I suspect NYJ just pretend this year didn't count and Bob Salad is back.
Given the above, I am squarely in team Leonhard or team Harris camp. I'd be happy with either. I think I'd probably lean towards Leonhard given his time with Rex Ryan and that extremely aggressive style of defense. That said - is he a firey guy like Rex? Is Al? I want somebody that is intense like Antonio Pierce that can set the tone.
List of candidates.
https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/news/...oe-barry-fired
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WINK is the top dog out of those dudes IMO
I'll take Jimmy Jimmy Jimmy Jimmy or the Carolina DC as my 2nd and 3rd choices
I think I'd also take Whit over Al Harris
LIFE IS ABOUT CHAMPIONSHIPS; I JUST REALIZED THIS. The MILWAUKEE BUCKS have won the same number of championships over the past 50 years as the Green Bay Packers. Ten years from now, who will have more championships, and who will be the fart in the wind ?
Yep agreed, I just doubt he gets fired. If he does, I can see where this is appealing since his stated goal is to become an HC. Making the inept Packers D good would show excellent coaching.
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