He, along with Jim Brown, were the two greatest players I have ever seen.
He, along with Jim Brown, were the two greatest players I have ever seen.
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Yep. Chicago and the University Of Illinois produced Ray Nitschke and Dick Butkus in a span of 7 years. 2 toughest players I ever saw, but Butkus' speed probably gave him the edge. He'll always be remembered for his ferocious hitting, but he also had 22 career interceptions.
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"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
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Hated but RESPECTED by Packer fans.
What could be more GOOD and NORMAL and AMERICAN than Packer Football?
RIP. Never saw him play outside of NFL Films but obvious he was larger than life. Saw a violent dude on the field but seemed like a good guy overall. Players today owe gratitude to legends like Butkus for helping make the league the giant money machine it is today. You old timers got to see some hard hits back in the day.
That’s a cool stat on the INTs. Considering they threw a lot less he must have caught everything that hit his hands.
Nitschke had more interceptions than Butkus. So did Joe Schmidt, Sam Huff and Nick Buoniconti. All middle linebackers with careers overlapping Butkus. All played more games than Butkus, but their stats show that Butkus was not unusual as a pass defender. Nitschke in his prime was as violent tackling, Butkus was more violent getting to the tackle. He didn't take on blockers, he often blocked the blockers, hitting them as hard as he did ball carriers. He smashed his way through blockers, getting to the tackle.
Many outside linebackers in those days, like Dave Robinson, had more interceptions too.
Yes, there were a lot fewer passes thrown in those days, but the good linebackers, like those above, didn't come off the field for extra DBs in passing situations, and pass rushing and block rules were so different that QBs were often hit as they threw, with dying quail passes ending up in the arms of linebackers. Coverage rules allowed contact until the ball was released, allowing linebackers to stay with RBs and TEs.
Very different game in those days.
Oh my good god Patler I am SO glad to see you back! Some of the newer rats need to get edumacated.
And what a good post to do so. As always, you actually back your opinions with evidence, and you often educate us, or many of us, in the process.
Damn. I can't believe how happy I am that you're back. Don't be a stranger. I'd be mightily interested to hear your thoughts on Gutekunst, LeFleur, this year's Packer team, and of course Love. Not hate, though. I'm getting tired of hate.
"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
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DANG, WHERE YOU BEEN ?
I feel like I should make some stat up so I can get PatlerizedIt's been too long.
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LIFE IS ABOUT CHAMPIONSHIPS; I JUST REALIZED THIS. The MILWAUKEE BUCKS have won the same number of championships over the past 50 years as the Green Bay Packers. Ten years from now, who will have more championships, and who will be the fart in the wind ?
Damn Patlerized me hard on your valiant return!! I would have thought the LBs would skills-wise be more like DEs today. Very surprising they all caught so well. They probably would do well in todays game still.
Nitschke also played fullback in college, Butkus played center.
It's weird what a good run da Bears had at middle linebacker. I never saw Bill George play, but I've seen a bit of highlight film. Wow.
Also weird to think someone as absolutely legendary as Butkus only played eight years. In today's terms, that's only two contracts. If only the medical care was as good as it is now . . . you wonder how long he might've played.
"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
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Yup, and Gayle Sayers only really played five years, although he hung around two more but only played in four games the last two years. His career consisted of just 68 games.
Damn Patler, nice to see you, old timer!!
I was a little worried not hearing from you for a while. Glad you’re doing well and still sharp as a tack.
Formerly known as JustinHarrell.
Bretsky, how can we get Patler to keep posting?? I think we'd all benefit by his take on this year's team, and Guter, and MLF, instead of the shit posters like you and me throw out there.
"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
KYPack
Sayers could score any time he touched the ball. He was shifty as heck running and receiving, with decent power too. He always seemed to be on the verge of breaking away. He didn't always return punts or kickoffs, but when they needed a score, there he would be, back receiving a punt and getting a long return. If they were falling behind after an opponents score, there he would be as a kickoff returner. I was always relieved when he wasn't back for kicks. In a few short years he had a bunch of return TDs.
As Packer fan, I "feared" Sayers more than I did Payton.
There you go.
He was bigger and lankier than I remember.
"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
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He reminds me of Aaron Jones in that he can going north south at 100 and still make lateral moves to avoid contact without slowing his downhill momentum at all.
He had better top end speed for his era
And he had better contact balance
So better. But that 100% downhill speed while still avoiding contact is very Aaron Jones like.
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Even though you say a lot of stupid shit this post is got to be dumb as fuck stupid. Aaron Jones like? Crazy gypsy, Sayers is the one you should be comparing Jones to! I only saw NFL films of him but obvious he was a man among boys. Something equal to 1998 Moss for our age group where he was a threat to score on any play. Sounds like Sayers merited the same fear for Patler’s generation.
He can't make the comparison that way. He watched Jones play his entire career and has only seen clips of Sayers.
I actually think its a pretty good post as he pulled out an apt comparison and backed it up with a why. I can't compare Jim Brown to anyone as I didn't get to see him play. I also didn't get to see sayers. I heard a lot of "barry sanders is like sayers" back when, but its hard to comp out guys that we never saw. I'll give RG some credit here for a solid comp and he clearly says Sayers was better.
I don't hold Grudges. It's counterproductive.
Sorry JH, but I couldn’t agree more with this, some of the stuff you come up with makes my eye twitch.
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