If that is the case, someone will get a steal if he drops to the third round. If it's not true, then that RAS is some serious suckage, right there. Not too far from my negative 4.23.Originally Posted by Joemailman
If that is the case, someone will get a steal if he drops to the third round. If it's not true, then that RAS is some serious suckage, right there. Not too far from my negative 4.23.
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I'd love this... Can't have enough edge in any defense, but esp Hafley's.... Should be an interesting draft: what's avaliable/where Gute goes with it. Having that many picks, really allows GUte to do whatever he wants.
I would take the Chopper in a second
I think he'll be gone by the time GB picks though
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Think he's worth a move up to get him?
Edge pressure will be pure gold to Hafley
With 11 picks, this may be a year where that's not an unreasonable possibility. I'll bet he's at the top of Hafley's list, now that we've got McKinney onboard. We could package #25 with either #88 or #91 and be elgible to move up to #19 or #20, and that might make the difference. It seems likely we'd be adding quite a bit of value with that move.
If they do, I'm good with it. I'm sure they wouldn't do it unless they'd thoroughly done their homework and there was something about him that totally rocked their world, and they certainly know a hell of a lot more about these guys than I do.
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I voted for him in the poll, but I don't think they move up for him. He's pretty one dimensional as a speed rusher.
I would not trade up for Chop. He might not be everyone's cup of tea and is in the 20-40 pick range from what I've seen. He's explosive but he doesn't have the sack production. I think anyone taking him top 15 is reaching, especially when there are so many good OL in this draft and so many JAG OL in the league.
I don't think Gute is going to trade up in this draft, if he makes any trades, I actually think it will be for a player... i.e., trade a R4 pick for a LB who can slide right in as a starter. The FA pickings are not good and this isn't a great LB draft class.
If Quay is going to play the Will, it would be strange to pick Edgerrin Cooper (who would also be a Will). I'm curious to see who the LBs and the safety next to McKinney are, as well as how they are used.
Off ball LB are kind of like RBs. Taking one in the first should be the exception, never the rule. You can find the draft peppered with serviceable S/M off ball LBs. You stumble into a guy with good instincts (equivalent to RB vision) and you have yourself a good 2 down LB.
Given the depth of CB and OT I can't imagine taking anything else at 25 to be honest (depth coupled with our needs). Thus, I'm sure Gutes will draft a WR.
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I've done some interactive mocks lately where DeJean is available at 25, Barton at 41, and Edgerrin Cooper at 58. Don't know if that's realistic, but I'd be pretty happy.
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Wow: The belief amongst executives in the NFL who know #Commanders GM Adam Peters is that he will draft J.J. McCarthy at #2 overall.
If true, this would open things up for the Vikings to trade up to 5 and take Daniels or Maye.
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I find it hard to believe much Dov says is true, until it's confirmed elsewhere. Also, this smells to me like prime pre-draft cow manure packaged up and whispered along as rumor to media.
There's no way you take McCarthy over Maye unless your personnel department has been heavily drinking for 72 hours. Maye is a better prospect by a not-small margin.
Also, if WFT takes McCarthy and MIN somehow trades up to draft Maye, look out. I have some faith that CHI will screw up Caleb, but a half competent team could develop Maye into a franchise QB. I think McCarthy is ok but I also think he could easily get overdrafted.
Presumably if WFT take McCarthy then Eliot Wolf will sprint the Maye card up to the podium for NE. All the same, I don't believe any rumors right now... everyone is lying why they open their mouths.
Same. I think Barton is a good player who had the athleticism and versatility GB likes. DeJean is good, but is he a CB or a S? He's never played S so you probably have to give him a redshirt year to learn that, I'm not sure Gute does that. Maybe Hafley is a teaching savant and DeJean is a quick study.
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i thought JJ WAS the vikings target and the guy they fell in love with?
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well, i believe the new scheme needs a safety that can play slot corner a lot of the time
so this is a perfect problem for him to have
and he has starting experience at both CB and as a lb/safety hybrid (exactly what we need) . so is he a cb or s? he's both, and excelled at both
So you don't think they'll play Jaire and Stokes outside and Nixon and Valentine inside when they need 4 corners? I agree with if you if they want to play a hybrid guy. I suppose it depends on injuries and the situation (down & distance).well, i believe the new scheme needs a safety that can play slot corner a lot of the time
They just paid Nixon $6M to play slot, but if a team goes 4 or 5 wide I see what you mean. Everything I've heard of DeJean at safety is that it's a projection though, hence my skepticism. I'm not sure they take a CB before late R3 based on all the bodies they have, but a trade could change that.
Can't really trust the grapevine stuff at 2 overall. It's a great time for a smokescreen or two.
Agree, Smuggs. Does anyone really think that JJ McCarthy is truly the second-best player in this draft? Even at the QB position?
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nope, but i don't think any of the QBs are really the best players in the draft
if this was 20 years ago, you probably wouldn't see any of these QBs goin gin the first round
teams just don't learn, thats why the bad ones keep staying bad. they keep overdrafting the hell out of these QB that have no place in the first round
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first round QB's. good or shit?
2023 (too soon really, but whatever)
young #1- shit
stroud-#2- good
richardson #4- incomplete, too broken
2022
picket #20- shit, already traded
2021 (perfect example of over drafting QBs)
lawrence #1- not shit
zach wilson #2- LOLOLOLOL
trey lance #3- somehow worse then fucking wilson
fields #11- as shitty as his team was, traded
mac jones #15- shit, already traded
2020 (the one good year)
burrow #1- good
tua #5- not bad
herbert #6- just fine
love #26 -
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2019
Kyler murray #1- coach killer? pretty blah
daniel jones #6- horrid
dwayne haskins #15- really bad then hit by dump truck while walking on highway
2018
mayfield #1 - ok-ish? pretty average starting QB for the first overall pick, but still a starter
sam darnold #3- the last "can't miss superstar" QB from USC. shit
josh allen #7- HIT, A FUCKING HIT!!!!!!!
josh rosen #10- complete shitshow
lamar jackson #32- 2 time MVP with the last pick in the 1st
2017
mitchy turbo #2- another shit player on a shitty team
mahomes #10- he's ok
watson #12- was good, now bad. he's gotta pay for it.
2016
goff #1- just ok, nothing special, but not horrible. his first team didn't want him
carson wentz #2- eh, not great, not completely shit. not very good for the #2 overall
2015
winston #1- nope, that didnt work
Marcus Mariota #2- this one didn't either
2014
bortles #3- not even close
johnny football #22- wow, just no
bridgewater #32- might have been not shit if it wasn't for the injury. incomplete
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