And then 90% of the fan base spent the better part of the next 3 years bitching about him dropping passes.Originally Posted by Joemailman
And then 90% of the fan base spent the better part of the next 3 years bitching about him dropping passes.
I think the Packers signed Andre Dillard. If I’m not mistaken, this is one of bobbles walk of shame predictions.
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From what I've read, Dillard is a swinger.
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Injuries derailed him from being better, but last year he blew. He will fill a backup swing tackle role. If you recall I liked him but my exact position was that instead of taking Gary we should trade back and take Burns or Sweat. I'm pretty sure I was on point overall in that draft. We all swing and miss on college guys. Tony Mandarich was a once in a lifetime tackle and Tom Brady was barely draftable. I have many misses indeed. I still can't explain why Dillard with his ridiculous footwork can't be a lockdown Tackle, but he isn't.
I'll crow a little bit. Within a week of the draft I was asking why we took Rhyan ahead of Tom. And don't make me talk about Allen Babre (who is another walk of shame prediction).
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https://x.com/Pack_Daddy/status/1781148311606403136
I finally have something to contribute to our pre-draft analysis
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Thinking to the TJ watt/kevin king fiasco I'm positive DeJean will be available at which point we will move back and take someone awful in the 2nd round.
I don't hold Grudges. It's counterproductive.
That was TT's last draft. If Gute had been GM, would he have taken Watt?
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wasn't gute really calling the shots at that point? at least thats what murphy said
or was that a different draft?
I'm pretty sure Gutes was the defacto GM by then. There was a point where ted went from drafting football players to drafting athletes. Pretty sure Gutes was calling the shots at that point.
I don't hold Grudges. It's counterproductive.
There's no question Thompson had declined and wasn't doing everything he had once done. But I think Thompson may have still been making the draft picks, even if others in the room disagreed. Considering how much Gute has prioritized drafting and signing EDGE rushers, I doubt he would have passed on Watt if it was his call.
https://www.espn.co.uk/blog/green-ba...t-three-drafts
Passing on Watt and trading down meant the Packers picked up an extra fourth-round pick from the Browns.
But it wasn’t just any pick. It was the first pick of the third day of the draft -- a coveted spot because teams might want to jump up and trade into that spot for a surprise player who was still available.
Instead, Thompson used that pick on Watt’s college teammate and fellow Wisconsin pass-rusher Vince Biegel.
New Packers GM Brian Gutekunst, a longtime Thompson underling, saw so little in Biegel that he cut him at the end of his second pro training camp this past summer, even though he played just 121 snaps as a rookie after a foot injury delayed his start. Biegel, who is now with the Saints, has yet to record an NFL sack.
“Just about everyone was on board with Watt,” one source familiar with the Packers’ draft-room discussions said. “The only reservation was some people thought he was a one-year player [in college].”
The source did not know why Thompson couldn’t be swayed by those in the room. After failing to acquire starting-caliber cornerbacks in previous drafts, Thompson went with King, whose history of shoulder problems did not scare off Thompson.
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack, a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
Did a 5 round interactive mock draft with a few trade downs and ended up with 6 3rd round picks.
25 Troy Fautanu - OT - Washington
58. Kingsley Suamataia - OT - BYU
64. Javon Bullard - S - Georgia
83. Jaden Hicks - S - Wadhington St.
88. Jaylen Wright - RB - Tennessee
91 Brandon Dorlus - EDGE - Oregon
95. Jeremiah Trotter - LB - Clemson
97. Blake Fisher - OT - Notre Dame
99. Cam Hart - CB - Notre Dame
126 Cedric Gray - LB - North Carolina
149 Renardo Green - CB - Florida St.
169 Malik Mustapha - S - Wake Forest
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget your perfect offering
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That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
I would not be against trading down with the idea of picking up a 2025 pick.
They have plenty of picks this year; the draft will be in GB next year and having an extra Day 2 pick is a positive.
They might also need DLs and a WR depending on how performance and contracts
(TJ Slaton and Kenny Clark are FA, Wyatt in Year 4 with 5th year option to decide).
Pick 25 has a history of moving, it will really be up to how the board falls and who's there that Gute likes.
Gutekunst's 1st round pick has a history of moving - he's only stood pat in Round One 3 of the 6 years he's been here. He's made a total of 4 trades in the 1st in his first 6 drafts, trading up for Love, Alexander, and Savage. Historically, it's more likely that he'll trade up in the first than stand pat.
Seems like if we squat down and just refuse to trade there's a very good chance we miss out on a CB, but a pretty good chance we get one of the DTs or a good OL. I do feel we need a CB more, but maybe the value this year is to just stay put.
We can likely get a better OT in the 2nd than we can a CB and as you say, the need at CB is greater. This is a good year to move up.
OT specifically there is really no need other than depth. Off ball LB would probably be the biggest NEED on the roster. But RG is a gaping hole right now and taking the best OL available when we pick likely improves that to a solid pro at worst. 2nd safety is also a monster hole which is why I'm on board the DeJean train. He is that 2nd S who also can be the slot CB. He is a moving piece in the secondary who can do it all much like McKinny. 2 of those guys together spells headaches for QBs around the league.
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I'm pretty much in full agreement with everything you say here.
Linebacker is a huge need that for some reason we never seem to discuss here. When we first hired Hafley, I spent hours deepdiving on him - looking up podcasts where he was interviewed over the last few years, youtube videos of coaching clinics where he spoke, youtubes of meetings he held with his players and coaching staffs at both Boston College and Ohio State (especially Ohio State, because he was DC there and went into a lot of detail on his defensive philosophy), and everything else I could dig up.
I tried to develop a sense of what kind of defense he's going to build, and one thing I came away with very strongly is that 2 of our 3 most immediate needs on D are an aggressive, all-purpose offball LB and a versatile safety to pair with McKinney. Which is why I am totally OK with Gute giving up a 3rd or maybe even late 2nd to move up for DeJean.
Trouble with that approach is, it doesn't do anything to solve the linebacker problem. And I have to admit, I'm kind of at a loss on that one, because this is not exactly the Year of The Linebacker. I'm really puzzled why Gute hasn't done anything at all in free agency with that one; they're not exactly thicker than mosquitoes, but some of these guys would at least be upgrades for what we have now. As in most such cases, I just assume the man knows one hell of a lot more than I do about the whole thing, and has made the best plan he could. Just wish I knew what it is.
One scenario I'm imagining is moving up for DeJean in the first, taking Edgerrin Cooper at 41, and OT at 58. We're not going to even get a sniff at Joe Alt or a half dozen other of the OTs at that spot, but honestly at #58, this is a year we coud still get an OT that would be late 1st most years, which is as high as we've ever drafted an OT since Bulaga.
Or, move up for DeJean, take an OT at 41, and a lesser LB like Colson or Wilson at 58.
Or some combination that skips DeJean, prioritizes OT and LB, and goes for Cole Bishop late in the 2nd. I don't think he'll last til Round 3, but I think he would be a good substitute for DeJean. This is not a good year for safeties, and safety is just generally a really tough position to project, but there are a lot of things I like about Bishop. He has the 4.45 speed to cover sideline to sideline, but is an eager and agressive banger in the box, and can line up anywhere in any coverage. May not have the fluid hips to go deep with a #1 WR, but if that's his biggest weakness, I could live with it.
What do you think of Bishop, Bobble? How do you see him? Like you, DeJean is the guy I see as #1 priority at that position this year, but we can't always get everything. If DeJean is out of our price range, who do favor as a poor man's DeJean?
Bishop is definitely on the radar. He tested really well, but I'm not sure he was exposed to the competition you would like for a guy stepping right in to start. Honestly I think Gutes feels the roster is "ok" right now and while he might reach for DeJean as the "perfect piece", if its not there he could just draft BPA all the way.
Off ball LBers are kind of like RBs to me. Instincts/motor trump athleticism. You can find decent ones all over the place and the key to their success is often keeping them clean. I'd love a draft that goes DeJean, PWilson, JMorgan without trading. Or maybe its more likely to go DeJean, JMorgan, ECooper. In any event what I expect from Gutes is something completely unpredicted by any of us.
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For what it's worth, I've read two Gutekunst interviews in the last few days in which he was asked about safeties, and he's specifically said he prioritizes versatility - a guy who can go sideline to sideline and cover fast WRs if he's playing deep, or just as easily come down into the box and thump a running back. He wants a guy who's basically 1B to McKinney's 1A, so the DC has the widest variety of options for what looks he gives the QB.
In both interviews, he later said (when asked about Dejean) that DeJean is very close to that safety. For whatever it may be worth.
I don't think we get him without trading up, so I guess the question would be, how far does he have to slip before Gute decides he's worth a mid-round pick. I don't think Bishop checks as many boxes as DeJean, though, but... you can't always have everything.
So now we trade up for DeJean and either ECoop or PWilson slides to us and I look smart for a day until I open my mouth again!!
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