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    Scarcity at LB in the draft is less real than imagined. Some teams like SF can identify and develop talent there. Others can't. We'll see if it changes with Hafley. There are viable LBs coming out -- maybe not superstars, but guys Hafley can make work.

    Kind of like GB with linemen and receivers (not to mention QB1s). The real problem is developing guys coming out. Some teams do, others don't. GB has a few weaknesses over the years; better than most teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaire View Post
    Scarcity at LB in the draft is less real than imagined. Some teams like SF can identify and develop talent there. Others can't. We'll see if it changes with Hafley. There are viable LBs coming out -- maybe not superstars, but guys Hafley can make work.

    Kind of like GB with linemen and receivers (not to mention QB1s). The real problem is developing guys coming out. Some teams do, others don't. GB has a few weaknesses over the years; better than most teams.
    I agree. Payton Wilson is the wildcard for me. He played the last 2 seasons without injury and had insane production then put up elite combine numbers. If he had zero injury history why wouldn't he be comped as a bigger Devin White or Devin Bush? He is older, but if you look at him as a 2 contract guy you are still done with him right around his age 30/31 season. They grabbed Wyatt at the end of the first. While the age/injury doesn't have him as a top 10 like the Devin's, everything else about him is comparable. If Gutes wants to finish the transition to 4-3 he could pull that trigger, or even trade back with the intention of pulling it.
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    Adam Schefter
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    ESPN content producer @PaulHembo calculated the percentage of 1st-round picks that “hit” or “miss,” based upon whether that player signed a second contract with the team that drafted them.

    The data encompasses the 20 drafts spanning 2000-2019. Here are the positional hit rates:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joemailman View Post
    I know Myers was a second round pick, but still, ouch.

    Also, I saw this quote from Gutey: "I think you have to be very careful of falling too in love with individual players. I think you have to be careful of that."

    Which is what we fans do, and why we get pissed when they don't take "our" guy.

    The example given was last year, when Jayden Reed was available when the Packers picked in the second, but they traded down twice before they took him. This was because had he been gone, they would've, according to Guter, been comfortable taking Tucker Kraft there, because the team had similar values assigned to both players.
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    Myers is an average NFL starter. He'd be above average if he were consistent - some plays he's All-Pro, others he's almost unplayable.

    I think as fans it's ok to have draft crushes, but I'd be wary of GMs (or owners) who have draft crushes; that's dangerous. What Gute did with Reed reminds me of how TT got Lacy. If you can get a guy you like even after trading down, that's a win. Gute turned that original pick (which turned out to be Brian Branch) into Reed, Wicks and Brooks. Branch is a good player but I'll take that trade any day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by run pMc View Post
    Myers is an average NFL starter. He'd be above average if he were consistent - some plays he's All-Pro, others he's almost unplayable.

    I think as fans it's ok to have draft crushes, but I'd be wary of GMs (or owners) who have draft crushes; that's dangerous. What Gute did with Reed reminds me of how TT got Lacy. If you can get a guy you like even after trading down, that's a win. Gute turned that original pick (which turned out to be Brian Branch) into Reed, Wicks and Brooks. Branch is a good player but I'll take that trade any day.
    Yeah; that one trade probably gave us as much of a return as some teams' entire draft. Heck, I can think of a couple of fairly recent drafts right here in Green Bay that didn't improve the team as much as that trade, or at least close to it.

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    I’m still calling it. If I were the bears I’d have traded down 1-2 spots and taken JJ McCarthy. The consensus top 3 picks for qb don’t look all that ready or threatening imo.

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    Last mock draft for me on Fanspeak.
    25: R1 P25 OT JC Latham - Alabama
    41: R2 P9 OT Graham Barton - Duke
    57: R2 P25 S Tyler Nubin - Minnesota
    88: R3 P24 LB Payton Wilson - NC State
    91: R3 P27 RB Braelon Allen - Wisconsin
    125: R4 P25 CB Mike Sainristil - Michigan
    169: R5 P34 LB Ty'Ron Hopper - Missouri
    201: R6 P25 CB Myles Harden - South Dakota
    219: R6 P43 S Evan Williams - Oregon
    245: R7 P25 WR Zakhari Franklin - UTSA
    255: R7 P35 DL Malcolm Ray - Florida State
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    don't be stupid and think you don't have to watch the draft until 10 ET or 9 central

    we have the ammo to move all the way up to around pick 10 if gutey wants to

    we could be drafting at any point tonight, or not at all

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    Dianna Russini
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    The 49ers have had conversations with teams, including with one picking in the top 10, about trading either of their prized wide receivers Brandon Aiyuk or Deebo Samuel in an effort to move up in the first round, per sources.

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    The Chicago Bears are very open for business at 9 and telling teams they are ready to move for the right price, per source.


    I've been expecting the Bears to move down. They currently don't have a 2nd round pick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joemailman View Post
    Dianna Russini
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    The 49ers have had conversations with teams, including with one picking in the top 10, about trading either of their prized wide receivers Brandon Aiyuk or Deebo Samuel in an effort to move up in the first round, per sources.

    Dianna Russini
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    The Chicago Bears are very open for business at 9 and telling teams they are ready to move for the right price, per source.


    I've been expecting the Bears to move down. They currently don't have a 2nd round pick.
    They also only have 4 picks total. That team has way, way too many holes to not move back with their #9 and gather up a couple more picks.

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    According to
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    , “the #Vikings are starting to move into panic mode as their recent attempts to trade up for a QB have been rebuffed” ������

    He says Byron Murphy II is the target at pick No. 11 if they continue to get shut out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joemailman View Post
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    According to
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    , “the #Vikings are starting to move into panic mode as their recent attempts to trade up for a QB have been rebuffed” ������

    He says Byron Murphy II is the target at pick No. 11 if they continue to get shut out.
    no worries they have sam darnold lol

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