2022
1 Quay
1 D Wyatt
2 Watson
3 Rhyan
4 Doubs
4 Tom
5 Enagbare
7 Rasheed Walker
2023
1 VanNess
2 Musgrave
2 Jayden Reed
3 Tucker Kraft
4 Colby Wooden
5 Wicks
6 Karl Brooks
7 Carrington Valentine
7 Anthony Johnson
Maybe 17 players from 2 drafts?? Has that ever happened?
Formerly known as JustinHarrell.
My position on Gutekunst was that he had done a great job except for the glaring mistake of trading up and using a first round pick on Love. I still think alienating the GOAT by that move was a mistake. However, I came around - earlier than most, I think, to seeing the greatness of Love. So even that now is a good move.
I was saying this group of receivers was excellent when a lot of people were knocking them. He loaded up the D with probable quality personnel - if the coordinator can just use them right. That includes bringing in decent scrap heap players and other UDFAs both on O and D. That leaves the O Line, which I'm not gonna brag on except to say we have won a helluva lot of games the past couple decades with personnel no better than what we have now. I expect that to continue.
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The rookies are killing it. Look at the team that just beat KC. Wild.
C.H.U.D.
Last five weeks for Rasheed Walker:
One sack allowed (Khalil Mack poking the ball out during Love's windup)
74.7 @PFF OFF Grade (T9/55 NFL OTs)
69.2 @PFF Run Block Grade (14/55 NFL OTs)
73.8 @PFF Pass Block Grade (17/55 NFL OTs)
He's #3 in the NFL at tackle in PBWR at 94%.
Top 20 out of 64 starting tackles. He’s from the 7th round and still should get better next year. That’s not a bad pick at all. Could be a top 15 or maybe even top 10 tackle if he really puts his heart in it. Valentine looks like a future lock down corner from the 7th round.
Gute is cooking. He might fuck around and win an Owl.
Formerly known as JustinHarrell.
Agree it's early on the rookies but very promising. If they continue to build on this and improve next year, look out. There have been a lot of one-year wonders, or players who are just on hot streaks and peak early for GB. If they prove it's repeatable over 2+ seasons then I'm on board.
They are getting a lot of important contributions from young players, and there's plenty of blame/credit to go around for that. Certainly Gute deserves some.
As for Walker, he's everything physically you want in a T, and he's been better since they did the sharing with Njiman thing, but I think his run blocking is still iffy and his footwork/fundamentals are bad. If he can really work on that this offseason he'll be a good one.
Just getting starts and league average play from a R7 pick is gold in this league. Average starting LTs are generally not cheap.
Rasheed Walker seems a key to the future. IF he works on his weaknesses this offseason, and can become a better run-blocker and get his footwork in better shape (as run and I think Bobble have pointed out as an issue), they've got a starting left tackle. Whoa. That would change the draft. So no you don't have to focus on one with your first pick. You could wait until the second round and get a more developmental guy, and let him compete with Tom for RT. Then you can wait again until maybe the fourth or something - the fifth, once you trade Bakh to the Jest to get a fifth back (!) - and pick up another one. Then you've got competition and developing guys, and with luck could move Tom to center.
But if the Pack thinks Walker is not that guy, you're looking at going after a LT early early.
I'm not ready to anoint Valentine the next Sam Shields (who was undrafted) or Jaire Alexander, but he's certainly holding his own - and MVS in the KC game there at the end...
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Walker has the tools, but even though Stenavich only critiques one of them for it, he has the same problem Yosh does. He occasionally gets lackadaisical and takes a snap off. Thats a drive killer. Its usually in the run game for Walker. Both guys have gotten better by forcing them to play for snaps.Originally Posted by Fritz
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With the Packers now holding the 20th pick in the draft, a lot of people are looking at Cooper DeJean of Iowa. He's played CB last 2 years at Iowa, but was recruited as a safety and has the build to play there. (6-1, 209). Packers love their Hawkeyes.
Current Draft Projection and Summary
On my board, DeJean grades out as a top-25 prospect in the 2024 NFL Draft who could feasibly challenge for top-15 capital, depending on schematic preference. It remains to be seen whether or not he’ll unseat Kool-Aid McKinstry as CB1, but DeJean is firmly in the Round 1 CB discussion.
DeJean’s traits and style mesh particularly well with zone and off-man schemes. He’s an explosive, gliding athlete at 6’1″, 209 pounds, with stellar space management skills, zone awareness, route IQ, and reaction quickness, and he also has the rapid closing speed to trigger and wash in front of ill-fated throws.
Naturally, with his mass, DeJean doesn’t quite have elite fluidity. He’s fluid enough with exceptional corrective athleticism, but there are times when he struggles to sink on sharper transitions. Nevertheless, DeJean has great discipline and foot speed in press-man, and he can use his length and physicality to dictate releases as well.
The tape evaluation speaks very favorably of DeJean’s diagnostic tools, both physical and mental. And at the end of the day, the production corroborates his talent. He’s a prolific ball hawk with unmatched playmaking statistics and a support defender with all-encompassing range, physicality, and utility.
There’s an outcome where DeJean splits time between the boundary, the slot, and field safety at the NFL level. Ultimately, he’s an extremely role-versatile player based on the game script. Let him manage and play in space, and let him crash downhill and attack blocks. Either way, he’ll produce from whichever alignment he takes on these jobs.
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i think the guy is blowing smoke on those first few drafts - outside of Alexander, Jenkins, and Gary, what did he bring in with the what, about fourteen draft picks he had in those two drafts? Not much. Though yes, those three were quite good. But the last two drafts certainly seem quite good, and IF Jordan Love ends up being a top-five QB in the league, well, you've got to say Guter has redeemed himself.
"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
KYPack
Damn, Joe, that Dijon guy sounds spicy. Sort of a poor man’s Charles Woodson. If Valentine improves from his shockingly high starting point and Jaire gets healthy, Dijon sounds like the ideal slot piece our secondary needs to take that next leap.
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It seems like when I create a spicy thread hammering a Packer my whammy kicks in and they prove me wrong.
I have SERIOUS concerns about Alexander and a ton of concerns he's giving us the Bachtiari treatment
LIFE IS ABOUT CHAMPIONSHIPS; I JUST REALIZED THIS. The MILWAUKEE BUCKS have won the same number of championships over the past 50 years as the Green Bay Packers. Ten years from now, who will have more championships, and who will be the fart in the wind ?
Guter needs to complete his comeback from turd to superstar GM by finagling a fourth or fifth round pick for Bakh - preferably from the Jest.
"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
KYPack
I think Jaire is a little guy (for a football player) who has a bad shoulder and as he ages the injuries will continue to pile up.
Would be nice if he could suit up, but until it happens I'm skeptical we'll get much from him this year. 2023 has not been a good season for Jaire.
I don't expect Stokes to be good his first game back, but he really kinda needs to have a good couple of games at the end of the season here. We're almost to the trying-to-salvage-his-career point with him. Now, is that on Guter? Stokes had a very promising rookie season, then regressed. Was he a good pick or a crummy pick or we don't know?
"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
KYPack
We don't know. He was pretty solid as a rookie, started off year 2 very shaky, got a little better, then had a really bad injury. Injury has carried over to Year 3... so we really haven't seen enough IMO.
he's played ONE snap on ST this year, not good return on a R1 pick... but I'd put that on injury luck, not on Gute. I don't think Stokes had a concerning injury history coming out of college. Also: injuries pretty much end or derail every player's career... and if it ain't injuries, it's age (or suckitude).
Often, age = suckitude. I predict that for Rodgers next year. It was already happening last year.
"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
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