Serious Question: Love vs Clifford

[SkinBasket]

Can’t say nothing without being called a racist these days. If you ignore a persons color you’re a racist. If you point out a persons color, you’re a racist. You must all be old people, cuz the kids don’t care no more. Anyway, I’m glad Love vindicated ya’ll today.

As far as what I like better about Clifford, I think I’ve made that pretty clear, but A number 1 is his confidence, followed by his decisiveness, most likely born from said confidence, and finally his gravitas which stands in stark comparison to Love’s flower wallpaper routine. So suck it. He can’t be much worse results wise at this point.

[Fritz]

Can’t say nothing without being called a racist these days. If you ignore a persons color you’re a racist. If you point out a persons color, you’re a racist. You must all be old people, cuz the kids don’t care no more. Anyway, I’m glad Love vindicated ya’ll today.

As far as what I like better about Clifford, I think I’ve made that pretty clear, but A number 1 is his confidence, followed by his decisiveness, most likely born from said confidence, and finally his gravitas which stands in stark comparison to Love’s flower wallpaper routine. So suck it. He can’t be much worse results wise at this point.

I’m confident. I’m decisive. But I would be a shitty QB. You need those qualities, but those ain’t enough, Skinny. Love was not the problem today. It was his shitty offensive line, his receivers dropping balls, and his coach calling a shitty game.

[Vincenzo]

I’m confident. I’m decisive. But I would be a shitty QB. You need those qualities, but those ain’t enough, Skinny. Love was not the problem today. It was his shitty offensive line, his receivers dropping balls, and his coach calling a shitty game.

He’s not exactly accurate tho. How many passes came up short, how many flew long. Yes he had way too many balls droped that were certainly catchable but overall he didn’t have a great day.

[SkinBasket]

I’m confident. I’m decisive… You need those qualities

Sorry for parsing you, but that is my main point. Yes, you NEED those qualities, as an NFL QB, and whatever you think of Clifford’s other abilities, Love has thoroughly demonstrated he does not have them. As such, time to move on. But management won’t because that would be admitting failure, especially in light of moving on from 12, regardless of what he had left to offer. I just want to be able to watch someone who wants to win, and can accept watching someone fail at that. I refuse to watch someone (Love) who does not have that built into who he is. He is not a winner. He is along for the ride. He is a weed in the wind. He has been handed everything and given nothing. He is dead to me.

[bobblehead]

Sorry for parsing you, but that is my main point. Yes, you NEED those qualities, as an NFL QB, and whatever you think of Clifford’s other abilities, Love has thoroughly demonstrated he does not have them. As such, time to move on. But management won’t because that would be admitting failure, especially in light of moving on from 12, regardless of what he had left to offer. I just want to be able to watch someone who wants to win, and can accept watching someone fail at that. I refuse to watch someone (Love) who does not have that built into who he is. He is not a winner. He is along for the ride. He is a weed in the wind. He has been handed everything and given nothing. He is dead to me.

You could be right or you could be misreading him. Montana often looked like he didn't have that fire either. Since he was winning it was "inner calmness". Since Love is losing its that he "doesn't want to win". Other than saying he won't be Maholmes or prime Rodgers I think the book is still open on Love. He may well wash out, but I am still going with David Carr, Jimmy G, Joe Flacco type career. A guy you can win with until you pay him too much. However, if you surround him with talent and he signs a 5 year $120 million deal you can probably take a couple shots at an Owl. Problem is that they will either cut him or give him 4 years $170 million after next year. Thats what teams do. The Ravens paid Lamaar like a top 5 QB. The cowboys paid Dak like a top 5 QB. I could go on and on about paying guys big contracts and then not being able to field enough talent around them.

[bobblehead]

I’m confident. I’m decisive. But I would be a shitty QB. You need those qualities, but those ain’t enough, Skinny. Love was not the problem today. It was his shitty offensive line, his receivers dropping balls, and his coach calling a shitty game.

As I've said many times, its symbiotic. Love isn't helping his own cause either. Of course we started last season this way and Rodgers didn't look a hell of a lot better, but he was better. Love has to take some of the responsibility, but all of it would be ridiculous. I don't think this team would be good no matter who our QB was.

[bobblehead]

Can’t say nothing without being called a racist these days. If you ignore a persons color you’re a racist. If you point out a persons color, you’re a racist. You must all be old people, cuz the kids don’t care no more. Anyway, I’m glad Love vindicated ya’ll today.

As far as what I like better about Clifford, I think I’ve made that pretty clear, but A number 1 is his confidence, followed by his decisiveness, most likely born from said confidence, and finally his gravitas which stands in stark comparison to Love’s flower wallpaper routine. So suck it. He can’t be much worse results wise at this point.

Fair, even if it took a week to get a response. Confidence only takes you so far. I won't go political, but I can give many examples of baseless confidence and it rarely ends well.

And again, I don't mind you pointing out Love isn't playing well, or saying you don't think he ever will, I just wish you would contribute anything else to the general packers forum. However, if you're down to a couple posts a week about it, its not trolling either.