Rasul Douglas Traded To Bills

[bobblehead]

If they rush 4 and drop 7 and play vanilla zones Dallas will carve them up. They will have to send some pressure or come up with some disguises and wrinkles to throw Dak off his game a little.
Probably will be a shootout.

If fat mike abandons the run like he is prone to do, Gary, Smith, Clark, Wyatt, Brooks can just pin back the ears. We can get after the passer when we don't worry about the run. How committed fat boy is to the run will probably dictate if we win this game or not. If he forgets that running is an option, they probably only score 24-27 on us and we have a shot.

Lets be honest, based on play this season we are over matched. But if fat mike has shown me nothing, he has shown me he can coach his way out of the playoffs.

[Fritz]

If fat mike abandons the run like he is prone to do, Gary, Smith, Clark, Wyatt, Brooks can just pin back the ears. We can get after the passer when we don't worry about the run. How committed fat boy is to the run will probably dictate if we win this game or not. If he forgets that running is an option, they probably only score 24-27 on us and we have a shot.

Lets be honest, based on play this season we are over matched. But if fat mike has shown me nothing, he has shown me he can coach his way out of the playoffs.

My cousin is a huge Dallas fan. I told him we Packer fans used to call him "Fat Mike." He told me Cowboys' fans call him "Dumb Fat Mike."

I have been thinking along the same lines as you - in a tight game, Mikey used to abandon the run. IF the Packers can keep it close and Mikey does that, the Pack has a chance. That, or if the Packers can get out to a lead in the second quarter.

PS - Bobble, just go ahead and take that 'bad guy' role. What the hell, right?

[Sparkey]

It is, as always, about pressure. Ideally up the middle. Clark and Wyatt need to have big games. Then really focus on bracket coverage on Lamb.

[run pMc]

At least some of the JSO beat writers thought Rasul would likely be cut for cap space this offseason. If true, getting trading to get another pick inside the top 100 isn't bad.

[RashanGary]

Gute and his team have been absolutely crushing the ball the last two years. I don’t know how many home runs they have, but they’re hitting for sick average with a lot of doubles at the minimum.

Something tells me Gute is gonna come up with a clutch hit on this pick

[texaspackerbacker]

Most Cowboy fans I know are glad to have McCarthy and more glad to have Jerry Jones effectively as GM. They should be.

[Patler]

I doubt they would have made the trade if they had suspected any one of the following:

- the season would abruptly pivot toward a run to the playoffs.
- Alexander would have a lost season and be questionable for the playoffs.
- Stokes would be unable to get away from IR.

That all have occurred is unfortunate.

The way I looked at it at the time was that they had 3 starters (Alaxander, Douglas, Stokes) and one potential starter (Vallentine) for just two spots, since none seemed right for slot or a move to safety. They also seemed to have the backup/ST guy in Ballentine. The only one tradeable for value was Douglas, so they made the move.

I am OK with it. Roster management is always a mixture of looking at the present and building for the future. Two months ago it leaned strongly toward building for the future and making the trade supported that.

[bobblehead]

Patler, of those 3, only the pivot was unlikely in most eyes. Jaire has had trouble staying on the field for quite some time now and gave no indication it was going to change. Stokes might NEVER be the same again.

I get that the cap purge/fix was on and that factored in a lot. But even if this season was a loss, for his level of play Rasul is on a decent contract. I would be surprised if the Bills cut him after the season. He is also closing in on 30 and at CB that means the end is near. But again, I am not only going to miss him Sunday, but all next year as well.

[RashanGary]

Patler, of those 3, only the pivot was unlikely in most eyes. Jaire has had trouble staying on the field for quite some time now and gave no indication it was going to change. Stokes might NEVER be the same again.

I get that the cap purge/fix was on and that factored in a lot. But even if this season was a loss, for his level of play Rasul is on a decent contract. I would be surprised if the Bills cut him after the season. He is also closing in on 30 and at CB that means the end is near. But again, I am not only going to miss him Sunday, but all next year as well.

In the grand scheme, two years of a solid player on a decent contract is like winning a small pot. The draft pick has a chance to be a loss of that small pot or an equal win or a much bigger win. Let’s just see it play out before we start counting the loss without measuring the gain.

[Joemailman]

Trading Rasul didn't hurt the Packers at all. Valentine and Ballentine played statistically better than Rasul had been playing. Rasul played much better for the Bills than he had been playing for the Packers. Gute cleared some cap space and got a 3rd round pick while giving up a 5th. Valentine and Ballentine gained some valuable experience. The Packers secondary is in better shape going into 2024 because of that trade.

[bobblehead]

Trading Rasul didn't hurt the Packers at all. Valentine and Ballentine played statistically better than Rasul had been playing. Rasul played much better for the Bills than he had been playing for the Packers. Gute cleared some cap space and got a 3rd round pick while giving up a 5th. Valentine and Ballentine gained some valuable experience. The Packers secondary is in better shape going into 2024 because of that trade.

What was printed at the time of the trade was that Rasul was the #10 CB in all of football according to PFF. I find it impossible that those 2 played better.

I'd like to see your source on that.

[Joemailman]

What was printed at the time of the trade was that Rasul was the #10 CB in all of football according to PFF. I find it impossible that those 2 played better.

I'd like to see your source on that.

My source is stats provided by Pro Football Reference. Now PFR and PFF may differ on which defender is primarily responsible for giving up a reception on a certain play. Believe who you want I guess. But I just had the sense last year that Rasul wasn't playing that great. I wasn't really relying on either PFF or PFR.

[MadtownPacker]

Agreed Mr. Cartero, have to cut some big branches sometimes so the tree grows stronger over time.

[Fritz]

Now they just need to scour the draft for a corner or safety whose last name rhymes with “Valentine” and “Ballentine.”

I know how to build a roster.

[run pMc]

Rasul considerably outplayed the *allentines, but they held up pretty well nevertheless.

I don't think Rasul cost GB a trip to the Owl, I think a much stronger case could be made that the safeties cost them. I can think of two Kittle plays and a McCaffrey play that were on the safeties. (2 of those 3 were TDs)
Hell, Anders Carlson played a bigger role than Rasul did.

Would you rather have Rasul or Stokes? I'd say Rasul, but Rasul's pushing 30 and he wasn't fast to start with. You can't play him in the slot, and if he was any good at safety they'd have played him there given what they had. I don't know they got 'good value' for him, but offloading an aging player's contract in a 'growth' year isn't a bad idea. I think it's a case of getting rid of a player a year early vs. a year late, and after all the yuck from the year prior and where their record was, I don't blame Gute for pulling the trigger.

[MadtownPacker]

Rasul had to go. Otherwise how could the Pack have been the youngest team to win a playoff game.

[run pMc]

I am less positive about the trade now than I was when it happened. I did not expect the playoff run, and thought this year was a throw away. I would have liked to have Douglas on the field in SF. But now that the season is over, I am anxious to see how the 3rd round pick is used.

Agree, and I suspect Gute likely feels the same way too.

[bobblehead]

Patler, I do still maintain my opinion and admit 2 things I had way wrong. I didn't expect us to move so far up in each round (by winning a year early) and I had forgotten how many comp picks there are. I like to debate. You always bring good content without making it personal and I love that. I don't mind being wrong eventually (thank god, cuz its bound to happen). I was wrong on the overall compensation. I would still love Rasul as a safety or CB. I think the fact that he got Jaire to stop being a punk and studying film is worth so much.

This was always an exercise in what if, because we can't know several things. Would Douglas have been the difference. How will the draft capital turn out. Would he have been cut after the season. On and on it goes. Similar to cutting Jones. He is such a great team mate and player. Age catches up with all of us. Now excuse me, I need to go drink my ensure for breakfast.

[run pMc]

He's probably a media puke who believes in facts, truths, and the salary cap.

[Fritz]

Yeah, Bobble's got that turned around.