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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti-Polar Bear View Post
    For once, I agree with you.

    Gutenkunst got a fat, new contract, and now he’s embracing the tank.
    Actually, I think it's Jaire who did that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joemailman View Post
    Actually, I think it's Jaire who did that.
    Pretty sure Gutenkunst and LaFleur received extensions prior to last season.
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    Good, that means Valentine will be back out there opposite Stokes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fosco33 View Post
    Jaire is not the top corner. He barely plays.

    He’s a head case and hopefully we can get some value out of him.

    He wasn’t a captain and almost fucked up a possession - then played it off as if his shit didn’t stick.

    Fuck jaire
    I'm with you. Not the kind of teammate that wins titles. Ship him this offseason if you can get anything real.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fosco33 View Post
    Jaire is not the top corner. He barely plays.

    He’s a head case and hopefully we can get some value out of him.

    He wasn’t a captain and almost fucked up a possession - then played it off as if his shit didn’t stick.

    Fuck jaire
    A bit inconsistent. But when he’s pimping, he’s pimping. Lest you forget, dude shut down Jefferson last season.

    I get it, we are all taught to respect authority and all that shit - even burger flippers have to follow the rules/orders set forth by their “supervisors” or face consequences. But c’mon, man! A stupid coin toss! Ain’t like Pack lost a possession or anything.

    Suspending your best corner with the season on the line over a fucking coin toss is stupid as fuck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti-Polar Bear View Post
    A bit inconsistent. But when he’s pimping, he’s pimping. Lest you forget, dude shut down Jefferson last season.

    I get it, we are all taught to respect authority and all that shit - even burger flippers have to follow the rules/orders set forth by their “supervisors” or face consequences. But c’mon, man! A stupid coin toss! Ain’t like Pack lost a possession or anything.

    Suspending your best corner with the season on the line over a fucking coin toss is stupid as fuck.
    He also self selected as a captain and didn’t own the mistake.

    That’s 3 fuck ups in one fell swoop. Plenty enough to be put in check.

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    I’m sure there is more to the story behind the scenes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fosco33 View Post
    He also self selected as a captain and didn’t own the mistake.

    That’s 3 fuck ups in one fell swoop. Plenty enough to be put in check.
    Eddie Lacy breaks curfew, gets benched for a quarter. J-Alex goes out for a stupid coin toss, gets suspended. Dumb as fuck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti-Polar Bear View Post
    A bit inconsistent. But when he’s pimping, he’s pimping. Lest you forget, dude shut down Jefferson last season.

    I get it, we are all taught to respect authority and all that shit - even burger flippers have to follow the rules/orders set forth by their “supervisors” or face consequences. But c’mon, man! A stupid coin toss! Ain’t like Pack lost a possession or anything.

    Suspending your best corner with the season on the line over a fucking coin toss is stupid as fuck.
    Actually, with the exception of the 2 games Stokes has played, he's been their worst corner. Opposing QB's have a passer rating of 120 when throwing his way. And he's sucked at tackling, having the highest missed tackle rate of all the CB's. He's sucked this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joemailman View Post
    Actually, with the exception of the 2 games Stokes has played, he's been their worst corner. Opposing QB's have a passer rating of 120 when throwing his way. And he's sucked at tackling, having the highest missed tackle rate of all the CB's. He's sucked this year.
    There are some RBs in NFL history with perfect QB ratings. Are they better at QB than Butte?

    Sure, seems like the only thing J-Alex has shutdown this season is the coin toss. But he has also been injured, limiting his opportunities to lower that passer rating. And besides, even Jalan Ramsey gets beat from time to time - hell, Ramsey woulda been the goat of last week’s Cowfucks game had the Mermen offense not bailed him out.
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    Hockenson and Wonnum were put on IR -- yesterday I think?
    ACL and MCL is bad news for the high priced TE and leading receiver for MIN

    They will have Jefferson, and Osborn had a big day vs. DET. Addison will probably be a go as well, they're all banged up. They could trot 4 Randall Cobbs at receiver against this defense and I'd be worried.

    Mullens was chucking it all over the place on Sunday, I think he had like 400 yards and 4 Ints. His wifey is pretty hot.
    I'd expect him to get the start, unless they think Dobbs can pull a DeVito. (Hint: with Rashan incapable of edge-contain, he can.)

    I have no idea how to predict this game. Entering their final 5 game stretch I had the TB and MIN games as the most concerning, then they crapped the bed against Devito and things haven't improved on D.
    I think Love and Co. can move the ball on MIN, but I have no faith in Barry's D. The MIN34, GB 24 prediction sounds about right. Ends the GB playoff hopes and calls for Barry's firing become deafening, but with one game left does it matter? Not to MLF, who tearfully fires him after the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti-Polar Bear View Post
    There are some RBs in NFL history with perfect QB ratings. Are they better at QB than Butte?

    Sure, seems like the only thing J-Alex has shutdown this season is the coin toss. But he has also been injured, limiting his opportunities to lower that passer rating. And besides, even Jalan Ramsey gets beat from time to time - hell, Ramsey woulda been the goat of last week’s Cowfucks game had the Mermen offense not bailed him out.
    Spoken like a Jaire fanboy.
    Look, I like Jaire and think that when he's dialed in he's still a really good CB. Maybe even elite. This year, even at the start of the year when he was healthy, he wasn't very good. I think most weeks he's tuned out Barry and is doing a lot of freelancing. They tolerated that because he can be good, but the coin toss thing was crossing a line for them. He's going to get razzed about that for years, just like Zadarius and his captain's necklace.

    I'd prefer to have Jaire going into this game, if he was focused on his job. I just don't think he is. He's a flaky dude to begin with, but this year he's been even moreso. Whatever it is, his play has slipped this year. Between that, his injury saga, and this behavior, he might be more of a distraction than anything.

    He's ranked by PFF as the 54th best corner, with a slightly above average grade of 65.4. He's probably the highest ranked CB on GB's roster, which is like saying he's the smartest moron. Being hurt, loco, and ranked as a lower-tier CB2 is not great return for being paid like the highest paid CB in the game.
    He needs to get healthy, a new DC, and a fresh start next season. I hope that doesn't involve a trade, but if it did I'd understand. Smaller corners usually don't age well.

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    #Packers coach Matt LaFleur says De'Vondre Campbell, Elgton Jenkins, Christian Watson and Dontayvion Wicks did not practice today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Oday View Post
    I was surprised the team is as good as it is but why suspend JA when Barry is OBVIOUSLY the problem and he has not been fired.

    You suspend Jaire because he's a loose cannon malcontent.

    I"m 100 percent about firing Barry; but that is no given
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    I wonder if a new DC will be able to solve the problem of “What the hell happened to Jaire?” Or if they’ll end up having to trade him.

    And what could they get? Prior to the season, you might’ve gotten a low first, maybe, or at least a second. Now, after the kind of season he’s had, could you even get a third? I wonder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz View Post
    I wonder if a new DC will be able to solve the problem of “What the hell happened to Jaire?” Or if they’ll end up having to trade him.

    And what could they get? Prior to the season, you might’ve gotten a low first, maybe, or at least a second. Now, after the kind of season he’s had, could you even get a third? I wonder.
    Jaire is uber athletic and uber stupid. He can't play zone to save his skin. He definitely can't play 15 yards off the WR zone. That appears to be whats wrong to me. Bring back pettine if we have to, but Barry fucking blows.
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    Kind of a weird hunch here, but ja is a hippy meditation weirdo. Maybe there is some tension because he’s refusing surgery and the Packers paid the clown 100M and now he’s never going to be healthy because he wants to be all natural.

    No basis for it other than it’s weird how his shoulder never heals and weird that they seem fed up with his shit.
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    I've had several thoughts this week as we prepare for a new year. How did "going all in" work out for the Broncos and Jets? Does Sean Peyton have shame for talking trash and then stinking up the field? Once Rodgers retires will anyone ever employ Nathaniel Hackett again? With so many injuries, would it benefit a team to hire a specialist for young players to learn how to prepare their bodies to play in the NFL. Is MiLF too soft? He wanted a "player led" culture when he was hired. Well, with the way Zadarius acted while here, Rodgers issues getting worse, Bak not playing more than a handful after getting paid, Alexander acting punkish etc, is it time to change that attitude? Would have a Mercedes called out some of these guys? Whoever we hire as our next DC better be a disciplinarian. And don't get me started on trading Rasul. Guy showed up to play. Guy was a good team mate. That trade still has Gutes on my Christmas naughty list.
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