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    Which players received the franchise tag?
    Tee Higgins, Cincinnati Bengals WR
    L'Jarius Sneed, Kansas City Chiefs CB
    Brian Burns, Carolina Panthers EDGE
    Justin Madubuike, Baltimore Ravens DT
    Antoine Winfield, Tampa Bay Buccaneers S
    Josh Allen, Jacksonville Jaguars EDGE
    Jaylon Johnson, Chicago Bears CB
    Michael Pittman, Indianapolis Colts WR

    Which players received the transition tag?
    Kyle Dugger, New England Patriots S
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    Evans is off the market.
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    Congrats on the distinction, and congrats to any of you that passed the CPA exam. I got a C minus in Accounting 101 and 102 long ago at U.W. and then gravitated to majoring in Finance instead (this was over 50 years ago), but I'm here to tell ya'all, APB's posting about the cap is more well grounded and sensible than anybody else in here - right up there on a par with me. Virtually anything that needs to be done can be done.

    And APB, after reading your post below mine, porn addiction is no excuse. I've got that probably as much or more than you (and probably since before you were born hahahaha), and it hasn't hurt me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SudsMcBucky View Post
    As a matter of fact, I have. Also got my masters in accounting graduating with distinction.
    I wholeheartedly regret not majoring in English, a la Prof Fritz. Would be in Hollywood today dating Jennifer Lawrence, Brie Larson, Zendaya or Olivia Rodrigo.

    Accounting is boring as fuck. And it chains me to the burger joint.

    Porn addiction ain’t no joke, folks. Dulls the mind and forces one towards even duller accounting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by texaspackerbacker View Post
    Congrats on the distinction, and congrats to any of you that passed the CPA exam. I got a C minus in Accounting 101 and 102 long ago at U.W. and then gravitated to majoring in Finance instead (this was over 50 years ago), but I'm here to tell ya'all, APB's posting about the cap is more well grounded and sensible than anybody else in here - right up there on a par with me. Virtually anything that needs to be done can be done.

    And APB, after reading your post below mine, porn addiction is no excuse. I've got that probably as much or more than you (and probably since before you were born hahahaha), and it hasn't hurt me.
    Used to be, the cap’s purpose was to handicap fat owners from buying championships like in the MLB. Nowadays, with soaring revenues and revenue sharing, the owners have been exploiting the cap to limit labor costs.

    The cap can always be cooked. Pigs simply ain’t too fond of “cooking the cap” cos it fucks with their bottom line. Getting fatter remains the name of the game.

    In truth, Wilson wasn’t benched last season due to poor play. Was he prime Russ? No. But he played better than a lotta garbage QBs in the NFL. The Waltons benched Wilson to avoid being on the hook should the slings and arrows struck Ole Russ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti-Polar Bear View Post
    Used to be, the cap’s purpose was to handicap fat owners from buying championships like in the MLB. Nowadays, with soaring revenues and revenue sharing, the owners have been exploiting the cap to limit labor costs.

    The cap can always be cooked. Pigs simply ain’t too fond of “cooking the cap” cos it fucks with their bottom line. Getting fatter remains the name of the game.

    In truth, Wilson wasn’t benched last season due to poor play. Was he prime Russ? No. But he played better than a lotta garbage QBs in the NFL. The Waltons benched Wilson to avoid being on the hook should the slings and arrows struck Ole Russ.
    Yes, the caps can be cooked, but eventually, all payouts will have to hit the books. No, the cap isn't an excuse for owners to pad their pockets. They are required to pay at least 89% of the alotted cap over any 4-year period. I guess technically, they could pad it that 11%, but that would be the most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SudsMcBucky View Post
    Yes, the caps can be cooked, but eventually, all payouts will have to hit the books. No, the cap isn't an excuse for owners to pad their pockets. They are required to pay at least 89% of the alotted cap over any 4-year period. I guess technically, they could pad it that 11%, but that would be the most.
    The key word is "eventually". By the time eventually rolls around, the cap is much higher and the benefits are realized.

    Buying championships - in football or baseball - isn't all it's cracked up to be. A helluva lot of small market teams with less money have outperformed the richer ones. Luck and smarts have a lot more to do with success than money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by texaspackerbacker View Post
    The key word is "eventually". By the time eventually rolls around, the cap is much higher and the benefits are realized.

    Buying championships - in football or baseball - isn't all it's cracked up to be. A helluva lot of small market teams with less money have outperformed the richer ones. Luck and smarts have a lot more to do with success than money.
    Continually cooking the cap can lead to a team not being able to offer an UFA the same amount of money when that bill comes due. That's where it hurts. For instance, there were players we couldn't go after this year because the bill finally came due on AR. Same next year with what's left of Bakh's contract. Again, these bills DO come due and it will make it so you can't offer someone new the same amount of money that another team can at that given time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SudsMcBucky View Post
    Continually cooking the cap can lead to a team not being able to offer an UFA the same amount of money when that bill comes due. That's where it hurts. For instance, there were players we couldn't go after this year because the bill finally came due on AR. Same next year with what's left of Bakh's contract. Again, these bills DO come due and it will make it so you can't offer someone new the same amount of money that another team can at that given time.
    I can't believe this still needs to be explained to people. It's like people think that as long as they have checks in the checkbook, they can just keep writing checks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SudsMcBucky View Post
    Continually cooking the cap can lead to a team not being able to offer an UFA the same amount of money when that bill comes due.
    And since you're trading unguaranteed money (future seasons' salary) for spread-out guaranteed money (prorated bonuses), you can't cut or trade that player without getting an anvil dropped on your salary-cap plans. So if you "cook the books" or "kick the can" or whatever metaphor (It's easy! Any team can do it!), you're hoping that this is a dude who can play the whole term of his contract, who won't change for the worse when a huge bonus is dropped in his lap, and who won't be a big cloud of stink in the lockerroom.

    My local team, the Saints, had their head coach leave for the Rockies once he saw that his retirement-postponing QB wasn't postponing it anymore and years of his prorated salaries were gonna come due -- causing them to cut more players to clear cap space. Now that I write it out, I'm thrilled he's got a Russel Wilson-sized hole in the 2023 and 2024 salary caps.

    Personally, I don't subscribe to the "If we spend a lot of money and make it to the Conference Championship, I'll be okay as the division's doormat for seasons to come!" THAT is what I think of as true credit-card mentality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SudsMcBucky View Post
    Yes, the caps can be cooked...
    Enough said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti-Polar Bear View Post
    Enough said.
    I don't think anyone is arguing you over that fact, though. The argument is whethere the cap is fictitious altogether or can be manipulated without limitations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SudsMcBucky View Post
    I don't think anyone is arguing you over that fact, though. The argument is whethere the cap is fictitious altogether or can be manipulated without limitations.
    This.
    If the cap could be cooked without limitations (or was fictitious) almost every team would do it. Jerry Jones and that jerk Dan Snyder would have had a half dozen Lombardis each.
    The cap is not used to line owners pockets, it's to enforce parity and keep contracts from outpacing reality. TV contracts and other revenue streams are lining owners pockets.

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    The #Bills were $40M over the salary cap entering today.

    They've already released C Mitch Morse, S Jordan Poyer, CB Siran Neal and WR Deonte Harty.... And they are still over the cap.

    So for the doubters... The salary cap is very real.
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    If everything goes absolutely perfect, pushing money into the future is an even trade-off, now vs later. A real problem, as noted multiple times, is when things don't go perfectly with the players for which you pushed cap into the future.

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    I am hoping the Packers will, as they often did under Thompson, let some of the big names get snatched and overpaid, then see who's out there who can help at a more reasonable price.

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    They can get a Jordan Fuller or Julian Blackmon type of S for less than they paid Savage last year, and get better production. Savage missed almost 14% of his tackle attempts, that's not good.
    The FA safety market might be the area they strike. I don't see them signing a vet RB in FA. Maybe a LB?

    They can cut DeVondre and get 2.6M cap space, do the same with Royce Newman and get about the same number and put together sign someone who can help.
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    I'm kinda hoping the Packers can sign Xavier McKinney from the Giants. He would be a step upward IMO from Savage. The total money might be more, but likely, you could fix it so the cap hit is no worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by texaspackerbacker View Post
    I'm kinda hoping the Packers can sign Xavier McKinney from the Giants. He would be a step upward IMO from Savage. The total money might be more, but likely, you could fix it so the cap hit is no worse.

    Xavier McKinney comments on potentially signing with Packers in free agency

    If the Packers make a deal with McKinney, they can give an assist to Kay Adams. On a recent episode of Up & Adams, she brought up the possibility of McKinney reuniting with former defensive backs coach Derrick Ansley in Green Bay.
    McKinney said that he was "intrigued" when he heard the news of the Packers hiring Ansley.
    "I didn't know that he was there. I thought he was still with the Chargers," said McKinney. "So when I heard that news, I was kind of intrigued a little bit."
    Ansley was the lead recruiter and defensive backs coach at Alabama during McKinney's time there. The Packers hired Ansley as their new defensive pass game coordinator this offseason, having spent last year as the Los Angeles Chargers' defensive coordinator.
    Reuniting McKinney with Ansley makes a lot of sense, and the former second-round pick could play various roles in Jeff Hafley's defense.
    "I'm very versatile," said McKinney. "I've proven I can play the deep part of the field. I can play half the field, quarters coverage, I can blitz. I'm able to play man to man, I'm able to play zone, I can play in the slot."

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    Quote Originally Posted by run pMc View Post
    They can get a Jordan Fuller or Julian Blackmon type of S for less than they paid Savage last year, and get better production. Savage missed almost 14% of his tackle attempts, that's not good.
    The FA safety market might be the area they strike. I don't see them signing a vet RB in FA. Maybe a LB?

    They can cut DeVondre and get 2.6M cap space, do the same with Royce Newman and get about the same number and put together sign someone who can help.
    It's quite possible that we can solve our immediate safety problem (2 quality starting safeties) in free agency, and go into the draft totally focused on other needs - OL, DL (which is one the fans don't seem to be thinking about, but I promise you Hafley sure is), RB, LB, secondary depth.

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