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    Quote Originally Posted by red View Post
    thats an interesting "leak" that the team put out about an injury that the vikings saw no problem with

    almost seemed like the packers saw that the fans weren't too happy about the release, and decided to put this little nugget into the ears of the reporters that are basically on the team payroll
    I was just going to say the exact same thing. I've found it very interesting how much inside information about the Jones contract negotiations somehow found its way out into the media the minute the fan base starting howling about it.

    We didn't hear Word One about Bakhtiari, or any other contract discussions, and we never do - every year, that information is shut down tighter than a drum. Not so much as a peep, yet with Jones, we may as well have all been listening in on every phone call, because suddenly we know how the whole thing went.

    Edit: my wife's in bed, I'm bored, I spent about 40 minutes watching most of the 4th quarter of the Niners game (and now, I'm googling local therapists to call tomorrow and help me get through the trauma.) But Jones' last carry was a short run up the middle with about 6 1/2 minutes to go, and I didn't see anything remarkable there. But his second to last run was that 53-yarder with 9:37 left in the 4th; if this story is true, that must be where it happened. I didn't see anything noteworthy there, either, except that he started to get gassed around the 35-yard line and steadily slowed down a little bit from that point on, I didn't see any point where he suddenly seemed to feel something. Slowed it down several times, and honestly, everything I saw just looked like a guy getting a little weary in the 4th quarter of a 100 yard+ game.

    The last 5-7 yards, he was spinning and leaping laterally trying to break through and pile up a few more, couple of sudden starts and stops, quick bursts, so there were a lot of points there where he could have easily tweaked something, but again - he didn't favor it. When he got off the ground, he was jumping and hopping up and down, dancing, and he seemed pretty OK there. Then Wilson came in and spelled him for a few snaps before his final carry.

    At the end of the possession, there wasn't anything special on the sideline. I saw a lot of shots with Jones standing around talking to players, but I didn't see him talking to any of the staff, nobody was checking out the leg, and he sure didn't go into the tent. Everything semed normal. The only attention I saw him get from the staff was when a trainer was hydrating him and wiping the water off his face with a towel.

    He was on the field for the final possession, but with Green Bay trailing with a minute and a half left, it was all passing plays. Except for two plays where he ran short outside routes as a dump-off option, he was just hanging back waiting for the blitz. He never really ran anywhere near full speed; just trotted around. But the point is, he was oin the field, not in the tent or the locker room.

    He just didn't look to me like a guy who'd suffered a hamstring injury that would make him questionable the following week; that first time he popped that hammy in the regular serason, he knew right away, and he was done fpr the day. The fact that Green Bay left him in the game after that run doesn't seem consistent with aggravating the hamstring enough that he'd be doubtful for the next week.

    So I dunno... could be true, could be bullshit. I didn't see anything really convincing. Jones has been a good soldier so far; hasn't talked at all about what happened. But if this is a lie, it may be enough to motivate him into calling bullshit on it.
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    Does any of this really matter or is this just us whiling away the time until the draft talk really heats up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz View Post
    Does any of this really matter or is this just us whiling away the time until the draft talk really heats up?


    It doesn't matter; but forums are boring w/o pot stirring

    Honestly, if anybody doesn't realize Gutey is Heartless they have not been paying attention.

    And so be it; be heartless, as long as you can get us a championship or two

    He's been here 8 years now. BOth Ron and Ted had one already.

    Get to it Guetbag !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bretsky View Post
    It doesn't matter; but forums are boring w/o pot stirring

    Honestly, if anybody doesn't realize Gutey is Heartless they have not been paying attention.

    And so be it; be heartless, as long as you can get us a championship or two

    He's been here 8 years now. BOth Ron and Ted had one already.

    Get to it Guetbag !!
    He's not heartless. But he can't afford to be sentimental. There's a difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joemailman View Post
    He's not heartless. But he can't afford to be sentimental. There's a difference.
    maybe, or maybe he's somethwere in between. REgardless we'll all embrace him once he wins a SB
    LIFE IS ABOUT CHAMPIONSHIPS; I JUST REALIZED THIS. The MILWAUKEE BUCKS have won the same number of championships over the past 50 years as the Green Bay Packers. Ten years from now, who will have more championships, and who will be the fart in the wind ?

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    Fans like to think their feelings and opinions mean something to the team. but they really don't mean much to them at all. There was no uproar over the Jones situation. Minor disappointment, nothing more than that. Certainly nothing that would cause the Packers to fabricate some grand story not based in fact.

    As for contract negotiation leaks, the vast majority come from the players side of the table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patler View Post
    Fans like to think their feelings and opinions mean something to the team. but they really don't mean much to them at all. There was no uproar over the Jones situation. Minor disappointment, nothing more than that. Certainly nothing that would cause the Packers to fabricate some grand story not based in fact.

    As for contract negotiation leaks, the vast majority come from the players side of the table.
    And in todays world (I hate to sound like Tex) the media is constantly getting caught for flat out fabricating things. So who knows if ANYONE from EITHER side actually leaked this. It could have been a guy with an opinion, or it could have been "leaked" by a waterboy who wanted to feel relevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobblehead View Post
    And in todays world (I hate to sound like Tex) the media is constantly getting caught for flat out fabricating things. So who knows if ANYONE from EITHER side actually leaked this. It could have been a guy with an opinion, or it could have been "leaked" by a waterboy who wanted to feel relevant.
    Probably leaked by someone older. Because the older you get, the more you leak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz View Post
    Probably leaked by someone older. Because the older you get, the more you leak.
    Underrated comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patler View Post
    As for contract negotiation leaks, the vast majority come from the players side of the table.
    I would have a hard time imagining any reason Jones might have thought it would be to his advantage to get this information out in the media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patler View Post
    As for contract negotiation leaks, the vast majority come from the players side of the table.
    Quote Originally Posted by Frozen Tundra View Post
    I would have a hard time imagining any reason Jones might have thought it would be to his advantage to get this information out in the media.

    Simple. To make fans feel sorry for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patler View Post
    Simple. To make fans feel sorry for him.
    Jones doesn't strike me as being stupid enough to think that would make people feel sorry for him, or desperate enough to really care that much. I give him a lot more credit than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frozen Tundra View Post
    Jones doesn't strike me as being stupid enough to think that would make people feel sorry for him, or desperate enough to really care that much. I give him a lot more credit than that.
    Perceptions from afar are funny things. I met Derek Jeter once...what an asshole. I met Terell Owens once. What a decent respectful young man. Told his friend to stop swearing in front of the ladies (casino workers). Jones strikes me as a good guy, but I have no idea if he would leak that or not. And he might just not be as classy and decent as we all perceive him to be from afar.
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    I think AJO loves the fans of GB and his image is important to him. That is why the leak gets released about how he was JordyNelson''d.
    LIFE IS ABOUT CHAMPIONSHIPS; I JUST REALIZED THIS. The MILWAUKEE BUCKS have won the same number of championships over the past 50 years as the Green Bay Packers. Ten years from now, who will have more championships, and who will be the fart in the wind ?

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    I think things were leaked from both sides to control the narrative. I suspect it was Jones' agent, not Jones himself. GB also stated they wanted him to take a pay cut in half, but they didn't mention that a big chunk was in incentives.
    Ultimately, it's just negotiating that got public. It's just seeing how the sausage is made.

    I do wonder what changed from Gute saying he "absolutely" wanted Jones back to him being released... unless it was unspoken and assumed that Gute "absolutely" wanted Jones back at a specific price point.

    And the timing on the Jacobs signing doesn't really impact things from what I've heard. They asked Jones to take the pay cut first, and when he said no they moved on to sign Jacobs.
    If you ask a player to take a cut and they say no, you either cut them or risk every player thinking it's a bluff and calling you on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by run pMc View Post
    I think things were leaked from both sides to control the narrative. I suspect it was Jones' agent, not Jones himself. GB also stated they wanted him to take a pay cut in half, but they didn't mention that a big chunk was in incentives.
    Ultimately, it's just negotiating that got public. It's just seeing how the sausage is made.

    I do wonder what changed from Gute saying he "absolutely" wanted Jones back to him being released... unless it was unspoken and assumed that Gute "absolutely" wanted Jones back at a specific price point.

    And the timing on the Jacobs signing doesn't really impact things from what I've heard. They asked Jones to take the pay cut first, and when he said no they moved on to sign Jacobs.
    If you ask a player to take a cut and they say no, you either cut them or risk every player thinking it's a bluff and calling you on it.
    Having an ex-NFL player as a client, I agree with all of this.

    Our client signed a nice 2nd contract. Had a down year and the club came back asking for a paycut or be cut. Funny his agent wasn't anywhere to be found when the team wanted him to take a paycut but was there every step of the way for the 2nd contract signing.

    Our client bet on himself, got cut and signed a 1 year deal with another team. He played well and got a good 3rd contract that lasted until he retired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThunderDan View Post
    Having an ex-NFL player as a client, I agree with all of this.

    Our client signed a nice 2nd contract. Had a down year and the club came back asking for a paycut or be cut. Funny his agent wasn't anywhere to be found when the team wanted him to take a paycut but was there every step of the way for the 2nd contract signing.

    Our client bet on himself, got cut and signed a 1 year deal with another team. He played well and got a good 3rd contract that lasted until he retired.
    There are also pro athletes who take a complete hands-off approach, leaving everything up to agents and advisors for negotiations. They don't even want to know the give-and-take that goes on, just having final approval on the best deal his people think they can get.

    Leaks, lies and exaggerations often come from the agents, not the players directly; or from the players "inner circle" or as we have often seen, family members who may or may not know the facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patler View Post
    There are also pro athletes who take a complete hands-off approach, leaving everything up to agents and advisors for negotiations. They don't even want to know the give-and-take that goes on, just having final approval on the best deal his people think they can get.

    Leaks, lies and exaggerations often come from the agents, not the players directly; or from the players "inner circle" or as we have often seen, family members who may or may not know the facts.
    Are you telling me that Greg Jennings sister didn't understand offensive schemes better than Rodgers did?? The hell you say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobblehead View Post
    Are you telling me that Greg Jennings sister didn't understand offensive schemes better than Rodgers did?? The hell you say.
    Two things, Bobble. Let me edumucate you. First, as far as meeting celebrities, the key is that we generally meet them once. I love that Terrell Owens was cool, and all power to him. But Jeter - maybe he had a hemmhoroid that day, or he just found out his mom was having an affair with his best friend; I don't know. Or maybe he IS an asshole. I have no idea. But meeting someone once - it's maybe not a good idea to judge that, although I agree with your implicit assumption that celebrities KNOW this and really ought to be on their best behavior with the public. But they're human. And like I said, Derek Jeter may well be an asshole. Your perception might be right.

    But on to my bigger point: it is a little know FACT that Greg Jennings's sister is, in fact, Aaron Rodgers. Don't aks me how I know that; just know it's true. So yes, Greg Jennings's sister does understand offensive schemes, not better than Aaron Rodgers, but just as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by run pMc View Post
    I do wonder what changed from Gute saying he "absolutely" wanted Jones back to him being released... unless it was unspoken and assumed that Gute "absolutely" wanted Jones back at a specific price point.
    Who says anything changed? Language like "I absolutely want Jones back this year", or "I absolutely expect Jones back this year", is totally meaningless. It's ambiguous, completely noncomittal "GM speak" for "he may be back, he may not, too early to make any promises". I think it's just implied that it would entirely depend on how negotiations went, because everyone knew that he would be asked to restructure.

    Gutekunst may be a lot of things, but he's no fool. He knows how to speak the language. He knew damned well that in a couple of weeks he was going to ask Jones to take a huge pay cut, and he's not dumb enough to think Jones was just going to take it without (at best) some serious pushback. And he's smart enough to know there was a good chance Jones would refuse it altogether. Saying things like "we really want Aaron back, we love him, Aaron's the heart and soul of our team, we definitely expect him back" makes the fans happy because they think the team is committed to keeping him, and then when the negotiations go bad and he gets released, Gutekunst looks like hey, at least he really tried. Not his fault. It just didn't work out.

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